From gentooman at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 13:02:40 2009 From: gentooman at gmail.com (Alvaro Zuniga) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:02:40 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Productivity software - was Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <49847C6E.500@weblizards.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> <49847C6E.500@weblizards.net> Message-ID: <200902011302.40682.gentooman@gmail.com> Yup, I would love to know the answer to this as well. I am a software developer and I have a slight understanding about the spam problem. On Saturday 31 January 2009 10:29:34 Petri Laihonen wrote: > Andrew Baudouin wrote: > > I use and recommend Windows because I am able to quickly develop > > productivity software with features that are impossible to develop on > > Linux in a similar amount of time. While spam has not been > > eliminated, I use mail accounts which for all intents and purposes do > > a near 100% job at preventing it from reaching my inbox. So its > > annoyance is of little effect to me. > > While I'm not a programmer, I would still like to have some examples of > this productivity software. > Also, what aspects / features (Excluding "windows only" like features) > make it impossible to develop in Linux within similar amount of time? > > About the spam filtering and such.... I'm fairly sure m$ is using some > open source stuff for that (at least partially). > I wish I would've posted the mail headers and such to the list when I > made that discovery few months back. That would have been interesting > topic.... > Basically, UNO has purchased some mail filtering service from Microsoft, > and the filtering activity is done somewhere off-site. I was studying > the mail headers and such for some reason and few headers indicated that > open source stuff was involved...... While I do not have time to dig > too much, I'll post something I encounter that again. > > Petri > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From williamhill2 at cox.net Mon Feb 2 10:38:06 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:38:06 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902021038.07678.williamhill2@cox.net> It has taken me a while to sort through your last letter and I've at last found a few things worth writing about. It was so confused that it was difficult to determine your intent. I asked you what I thought was the most important question and got no answer. Most of the rest seemed to be invective, which is not worth wasting much time with. In reading the rest of it again, I noticed a mistake worth correcting for you. You accuse me of hypocrisy though ideological zeal, but have ignorantly invented facts for a case to suit your own argument. I can't pretend that I understand your charge of hypocrisy based on my studies at LSU, but I can assure you my work is available to the public. The main product of my employment at LSU was my thesis, which is available to anyone free of charge. I was compensated for my work at the time and I'm happy that it is distributed freely. I have also made the code I used available at http://phys.lsu.edu/~willhill Similar work that I did for the Louisiana Transportation Research Center was also published, though I'm not sure where it is anymore. You paid for it and you deserve to have it. Research I do at private institutions will be published as well and those publications will be as free as I can make them. The point of publishing things is to share them, barriers defeat that purpose. Your misunderstanding of the Comcast P2P attack is more informative of your misunderstandings and blindness to change. The people who complained about their bible translations being blocked were the authors of the translation. They wanted people to have their work but Comcast's attack on P2P protocols got in their way. The US federal government eventually agreed. Your mind bent that story into the case you seem to be obsessed with - "piracy" of entertainment that might harm the profits of big publishers. The straw man you present of me is that I've got a gun to someone's head and that I'm demanding, "Make me movies! Make me music!" but I'm much less concerned with these things than you are. Are you really afraid that people sharing music and TV shows will somehow diminish your entertainment? Is that so much more important than access to knowledge and entertainment that free networks can bring? On Friday 30 January 2009, Andrew Baudouin wrote: > Freedom of the press? This really is a religious argument for you, isn't > it? > > Why do you demand having information for free? ?You are employed by LSU. > Did you hand your last paycheck back because the research information you > produced should have been free? > > I think that QOS is a legitimate way to ensure that high-bandwidth > applications don't affect low latency ones. ?It's a technical solution to a > technical problem. > > Bible translations aren't free. People do lots of work on translations and > want to be fairly compensated for it, which is biblical by the way. > From dustin at puryear-it.com Mon Feb 2 14:05:09 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:05:09 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200902021038.07678.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> <200902021038.07678.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <498751F5.7040301@puryear-it.com> Will and Andrew- Topic closed. kthanksbye Will Hill wrote: > It has taken me a while to sort through your last letter and I've at last > found a few things worth writing about. It was so confused that it was > difficult to determine your intent. I asked you what I thought was the most > important question and got no answer. Most of the rest seemed to be > invective, which is not worth wasting much time with. In reading the rest > of it again, I noticed a mistake worth correcting for you. You accuse me of > hypocrisy though ideological zeal, but have ignorantly invented facts for a > case to suit your own argument. > > I can't pretend that I understand your charge of hypocrisy based on my studies > at LSU, but I can assure you my work is available to the public. The main > product of my employment at LSU was my thesis, which is available to anyone > free of charge. I was compensated for my work at the time and I'm happy that > it is distributed freely. I have also made the code I used available at > > http://phys.lsu.edu/~willhill > > Similar work that I did for the Louisiana Transportation Research Center was > also published, though I'm not sure where it is anymore. You paid for it and > you deserve to have it. Research I do at private institutions will be > published as well and those publications will be as free as I can make them. > The point of publishing things is to share them, barriers defeat that > purpose. > > Your misunderstanding of the Comcast P2P attack is more informative of your > misunderstandings and blindness to change. The people who complained about > their bible translations being blocked were the authors of the translation. > They wanted people to have their work but Comcast's attack on P2P protocols > got in their way. The US federal government eventually agreed. Your mind > bent that story into the case you seem to be obsessed with - "piracy" of > entertainment that might harm the profits of big publishers. The straw man > you present of me is that I've got a gun to someone's head and that I'm > demanding, "Make me movies! Make me music!" but I'm much less concerned with > these things than you are. > > Are you really afraid that people sharing music and TV shows will somehow > diminish your entertainment? Is that so much more important than access to > knowledge and entertainment that free networks can bring? > > On Friday 30 January 2009, Andrew Baudouin wrote: >> Freedom of the press? This really is a religious argument for you, isn't >> it? >> >> Why do you demand having information for free? You are employed by LSU. >> Did you hand your last paycheck back because the research information you >> produced should have been free? >> >> I think that QOS is a legitimate way to ensure that high-bandwidth >> applications don't affect low latency ones. It's a technical solution to a >> technical problem. >> >> Bible translations aren't free. People do lots of work on translations and >> want to be fairly compensated for it, which is biblical by the way. >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > > -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From tfournet at tfour.net Mon Feb 2 14:35:14 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:35:14 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <498751F5.7040301@puryear-it.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> <200902021038.07678.williamhill2@cox.net> <498751F5.7040301@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: <49875902.7030007@tfour.net> In the interest of avoiding future explosions, can we ask that any political topics be posted in, and only in, the -political mailing list? Thinking back, the original posting was fairly off-topic to begin with. Dustin Puryear wrote: > Will and Andrew- Topic closed. kthanksbye > From dustin at puryear-it.com Mon Feb 2 14:46:58 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:46:58 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <49875902.7030007@tfour.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> <200902021038.07678.williamhill2@cox.net> <498751F5.7040301@puryear-it.com> <49875902.7030007@tfour.net> Message-ID: <49875BC2.9020002@puryear-it.com> To be honest, the next time the whole personal back and forth happens again I'm just going to ban those involved. Problem solved. Tim Fournet wrote: > In the interest of avoiding future explosions, can we ask that any > political topics be posted in, and only in, the -political mailing list? > Thinking back, the original posting was fairly off-topic to begin with. > > Dustin Puryear wrote: >> Will and Andrew- Topic closed. kthanksbye >> > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > > -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From tfournet at tfour.net Mon Feb 2 15:58:07 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:58:07 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <49875BC2.9020002@puryear-it.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> <200902021038.07678.williamhill2@cox.net> <498751F5.7040301@puryear-it.com> <49875902.7030007@tfour.net> <49875BC2.9020002@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: <49876C6F.8090604@tfour.net> WORKSFORME Dustin Puryear wrote: > To be honest, the next time the whole personal back and forth happens > again I'm just going to ban those involved. Problem solved. > > Tim Fournet wrote: > >> In the interest of avoiding future explosions, can we ask that any >> political topics be posted in, and only in, the -political mailing list? >> Thinking back, the original posting was fairly off-topic to begin with. >> >> Dustin Puryear wrote: >> >>> Will and Andrew- Topic closed. kthanksbye >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> -- >> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. >> Click here to report this message as spam. >> http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= >> >> >> > > From carl70448 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 08:56:44 2009 From: carl70448 at yahoo.com (c.a. weisheit) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 06:56:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks Message-ID: <778489.73413.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> retailers are starting to sell netbooks for a lower fee with commitment to 3g services. I found this example: http://www.radioshack.com/uc/index.jsp?page=researchLibraryArticle&articleUrl=../graphics/uc/rsk/USContent/HTML/pages/acernetbk.html&noBc=true companies in Japan etc. have been offering netbooks for $40 to $50 with services for some time now. I look forward to more price drops and linux compatible air cards. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pass the word on, encourage other people to attend the meeting, & encourage the growth, improvement & strengthening of all Public Property, Community, "Free as in Freedom & FreeSpeech" software. :) From eac at motion-labs.com Wed Feb 4 09:41:00 2009 From: eac at motion-labs.com (Edmund Cramp) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:41:00 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks In-Reply-To: <778489.73413.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8d0cadc.1c986df.7bc9f1.29@motion-labs.com> Looks nice but: $499 w/o the data plan OR $99 w/ a two year $60/month data plan = $1539 It makes sense IF you're going to sign up for the data plan anyway but not otherwise. Without getting into the "data just wants to be free" argument ... Just what does a $60/month data plan do for you? That sound like a lot of money to me. Edmund Cramp -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of c.a. weisheit Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:57 AM To: general at brlug.net Subject: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks retailers are starting to sell netbooks for a lower fee with commitment to 3g services. I found this example: http://www.radioshack.com/uc/index.jsp?page=researchLibraryArticle&articleUrl=../graphics/uc/rsk/USContent/HTML/pages/acernetbk.html&noBc=true companies in Japan etc. have been offering netbooks for $40 to $50 with services for some time now. I look forward to more price drops and linux compatible air cards. From jonlancekulp at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 09:51:03 2009 From: jonlancekulp at gmail.com (Jonathan Kulp) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:51:03 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks In-Reply-To: <8d0cadc.1c986df.7bc9f1.29@motion-labs.com> References: <8d0cadc.1c986df.7bc9f1.29@motion-labs.com> Message-ID: <4989B967.20705@gmail.com> Edmund Cramp wrote: > Looks nice but: > > $499 w/o the data plan OR $99 w/ a two year $60/month data plan = > $1539 > > It makes sense IF you're going to sign up for the data plan anyway > but not otherwise. Indeed. I saw the big sign at Radio Shack saying $99 Acer aspire One and it caught my eye but then I nearly gagged when I saw the commitment. Ugh. You can get the Aspire One in three different colors at Wal-Mart for $348.00. :) Jon > > Without getting into the "data just wants to be free" argument ... > Just what does a $60/month data plan do for you? That sound like a > lot of money to me. > > Edmund Cramp > > -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net > [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of c.a. weisheit Sent: > Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:57 AM To: general at brlug.net Subject: > [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks > > retailers are starting to sell netbooks for a lower fee with > commitment to 3g services. I found this example: > http://www.radioshack.com/uc/index.jsp?page=researchLibraryArticle&articleUrl=../graphics/uc/rsk/USContent/HTML/pages/acernetbk.html&noBc=true > > > companies in Japan etc. have been offering netbooks for $40 to $50 > with services for some time now. I look forward to more price drops > and linux compatible air cards. > -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com From andrewmb at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 10:01:28 2009 From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:01:28 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks In-Reply-To: <8d0cadc.1c986df.7bc9f1.29@motion-labs.com> References: <778489.73413.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8d0cadc.1c986df.7bc9f1.29@motion-labs.com> Message-ID: <3fc325330902040801k71696af9v3479402e3f74e295@mail.gmail.com> Isn't it already around $35 a month to get data plans for an Iphone, for example? Why would ATT charge any more for 3g netbooks? On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Edmund Cramp wrote: > Looks nice but: > > $499 w/o the data plan OR $99 w/ a two year $60/month data plan = $1539 > > It makes sense IF you're going to sign up for the data plan anyway but not > otherwise. > > Without getting into the "data just wants to be free" argument ... Just > what does a $60/month data plan do for you? That sound like a lot of money > to me. > > Edmund Cramp > > -----Original Message----- > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On > Behalf Of c.a. weisheit > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:57 AM > To: general at brlug.net > Subject: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks > > retailers are starting to sell netbooks for a lower fee with commitment to > 3g services. > I found this example: > > http://www.radioshack.com/uc/index.jsp?page=researchLibraryArticle&articleUrl=../graphics/uc/rsk/USContent/HTML/pages/acernetbk.html&noBc=true > > companies in Japan etc. have been offering netbooks for $40 to $50 with > services for some time now. I look forward to more price drops and linux > compatible air cards. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From besquivel at immense.net Wed Feb 4 09:49:15 2009 From: besquivel at immense.net (Bret Esquivel) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:49:15 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks In-Reply-To: <3fc325330902040801k71696af9v3479402e3f74e295@mail.gmail.com> References: <778489.73413.qm@web111302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8d0cadc.1c986df.7bc9f1.29@motion-labs.com> <3fc325330902040801k71696af9v3479402e3f74e295@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C737F5E361D6F4181CD7F60255DF01D1FD3AA82C4@exch01.mail.immense.net> Likely because ATT doesn't expect you to download a 100 MB file to your iPhone over 3G... From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Baudouin Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:01 AM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks Isn't it already around $35 a month to get data plans for an Iphone, for example? Why would ATT charge any more for 3g netbooks? On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Edmund Cramp > wrote: Looks nice but: $499 w/o the data plan OR $99 w/ a two year $60/month data plan = $1539 It makes sense IF you're going to sign up for the data plan anyway but not otherwise. Without getting into the "data just wants to be free" argument ... Just what does a $60/month data plan do for you? That sound like a lot of money to me. Edmund Cramp -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of c.a. weisheit Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:57 AM To: general at brlug.net Subject: [brlug-general] new trend in netbooks retailers are starting to sell netbooks for a lower fee with commitment to 3g services. I found this example: http://www.radioshack.com/uc/index.jsp?page=researchLibraryArticle&articleUrl=../graphics/uc/rsk/USContent/HTML/pages/acernetbk.html&noBc=true companies in Japan etc. have been offering netbooks for $40 to $50 with services for some time now. I look forward to more price drops and linux compatible air cards. _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From williamhill2 at cox.net Wed Feb 4 17:40:08 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:40:08 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] bellsouth gives TuxMachines the blues, gets ax Message-ID: <200902041740.10101.williamhill2@cox.net> http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/34094 Interesting and sad story. From sroddy at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 09:52:03 2009 From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 09:52:03 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] embedded/gumstick/small form factor Linux devices Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0902060752y39c313c7g4139e95a2bb36921@mail.gmail.com> Anyone have any experience using low power (PoE?), small form factor, flash based linux emedded devices? I may have a use for a few, but don't want to blindly start procuring devices and testing if anyone can make recommendations. Thanks, Shannon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone signed up for this yet? http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/After-Five-Years-Of-Fighting-Lafayette-Gets-Their-Fiber-100724 Pretty interesting to see how well the services are. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal From jonlancekulp at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:36:02 2009 From: jonlancekulp at gmail.com (Jonathan Kulp) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:36:02 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System In-Reply-To: <86208A07-D4C0-48E9-AEDA-8A65FEFD0501@poobal.net> References: <86208A07-D4C0-48E9-AEDA-8A65FEFD0501@poobal.net> Message-ID: <498C9122.70508@gmail.com> Karthik Poobal wrote: > Off and on I have read about the Lafayette Utilities System and there > seems to be some great news. Anyone signed up for this yet? > > > http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/After-Five-Years-Of-Fighting-Lafayette-Gets-Their-Fiber-100724 > > Pretty interesting to see how well the services are. > They've run the main fiber cable on my street but so far I haven't gotten word that I can sign up. I will sign up as soon as possible, though. :) Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com From jasondewitt at cp-tel.net Fri Feb 6 13:48:01 2009 From: jasondewitt at cp-tel.net (Jason DeWitt) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:48:01 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System In-Reply-To: <498C9122.70508@gmail.com> References: <86208A07-D4C0-48E9-AEDA-8A65FEFD0501@poobal.net> <498C9122.70508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <498C93F1.40108@cp-tel.net> They don't have that fiber network up down there yet? I remember hearing about it long before we started our FTTx project here and I've had fiber at my house for years now... Jonathan Kulp wrote: > Karthik Poobal wrote: > >> Off and on I have read about the Lafayette Utilities System and there >> seems to be some great news. Anyone signed up for this yet? >> >> >> http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/After-Five-Years-Of-Fighting-Lafayette-Gets-Their-Fiber-100724 >> >> Pretty interesting to see how well the services are. >> >> > > They've run the main fiber cable on my street but so far I haven't > gotten word that I can sign up. I will sign up as soon as possible, > though. :) > > Jon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Fri Feb 6 13:57:12 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:57:12 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E010064@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> PEOPLE, LISTEN TO ME. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THIS AGAIN. Just dig up the line and put a little vampire dealie on it. ;) (Let's ignore the impossibility of my idea.) -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Kulp Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:36 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System Karthik Poobal wrote: > Off and on I have read about the Lafayette Utilities System and there > seems to be some great news. Anyone signed up for this yet? > > > http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/After-Five-Years-Of-Fighting-Lafayett e-Gets-Their-Fiber-100724 > > Pretty interesting to see how well the services are. > They've run the main fiber cable on my street but so far I haven't gotten word that I can sign up. I will sign up as soon as possible, though. :) Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= From adammelancon at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 14:11:07 2009 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:11:07 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E010064@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E010064@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Message-ID: <489287610902061211ufdceaabr17a340536d253ee2@mail.gmail.com> http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2003/0303sec1.html Not as impossible as one thinks. Adam Melancon On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote: > PEOPLE, LISTEN TO ME. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THIS AGAIN. > > Just dig up the line and put a little vampire dealie on it. > > ;) > > (Let's ignore the impossibility of my idea.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On > Behalf Of Jonathan Kulp > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:36 PM > To: general at brlug.net > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System > > Karthik Poobal wrote: > > Off and on I have read about the Lafayette Utilities System and there > > > seems to be some great news. Anyone signed up for this yet? > > > > > > > http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/After-Five-Years-Of-Fighting-Lafayett > e-Gets-Their-Fiber-100724 > > > > Pretty interesting to see how well the services are. > > > > They've run the main fiber cable on my street but so far I haven't > gotten word that I can sign up. I will sign up as soon as possible, > though. :) > > Jon > > -- > Jonathan Kulp > http://www.jonathankulp.com > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From worm402 at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 14:21:58 2009 From: worm402 at gmail.com (worms) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:21:58 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] embedded/gumstick/small form factor Linux devices In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba0902060752y39c313c7g4139e95a2bb36921@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d48b6ba0902060752y39c313c7g4139e95a2bb36921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e277b740902061221g170de5e7i566ca8e3685efb67@mail.gmail.com> I am interested in this well, I want to get some very small, cheap and low power devices that I can place on my network segments adhoc to do diagnostics. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Shannon Roddy wrote: > Anyone have any experience using low power (PoE?), small form factor, flash > based linux emedded devices? I may have a use for a few, but don't want to > blindly start procuring devices and testing if anyone can make > recommendations. > > Thanks, > Shannon > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > From james at kuhns-la.com Fri Feb 6 14:51:02 2009 From: james at kuhns-la.com (James Kuhns) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:51:02 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System In-Reply-To: <498C9122.70508@gmail.com> References: <86208A07-D4C0-48E9-AEDA-8A65FEFD0501@poobal.net> <498C9122.70508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <029301c9889c$9f0d3b50$dd27b1f0$@com> Finally, after all the lawsuits/COX & AT&T hurdles, it's so close we can taste it... The fiber's been on the pole in our back yard for a couple weeks now... There's a truck in front of our house right now with a crew putting up enclosures on the poles in the area... An article in the local newspaper said they were going to start sending out the sign-up mailings next week, LUS said there will probably be a two week lead time on the installations after contacting them to put one in... No, I haven't been watching this closely and patiently waiting for this for years ;-) By my reckoning, we should have our drop within the next month... Perfect timing since I'm in the process of completely rewiring the house (electricity, phone, satellite, and network). James -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Kulp Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:36 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System Karthik Poobal wrote: > Off and on I have read about the Lafayette Utilities System and there > seems to be some great news. Anyone signed up for this yet? > > > http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/After-Five-Years-Of-Fighting-Lafayette-Ge ts-Their-Fiber-100724 > > Pretty interesting to see how well the services are. > They've run the main fiber cable on my street but so far I haven't gotten word that I can sign up. I will sign up as soon as possible, though. :) Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.18/1936 - Release Date: 02/05/09 11:34:00 From andrewmb at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 15:41:27 2009 From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:41:27 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] OT: Lafayette Utilities System In-Reply-To: <029301c9889c$9f0d3b50$dd27b1f0$@com> References: <86208A07-D4C0-48E9-AEDA-8A65FEFD0501@poobal.net> <498C9122.70508@gmail.com> <029301c9889c$9f0d3b50$dd27b1f0$@com> Message-ID: <3fc325330902061341w59935d25xd6e05d58cabb0780@mail.gmail.com> They have the BR politicians fully purchased, there's no doubt about it. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:51 PM, James Kuhns wrote: > Finally, after all the lawsuits/COX & AT&T hurdles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From murali at espionintl.com Sun Feb 8 13:03:43 2009 From: murali at espionintl.com (Muralidar Chakravarthi) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 13:03:43 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] embedded/gumstick/small form factor Linuxdevices References: <8d48b6ba0902060752y39c313c7g4139e95a2bb36921@mail.gmail.com> <2e277b740902061221g170de5e7i566ca8e3685efb67@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <05CFE1ADB8CE4845B0619CB90F293BEB@redcobra3> Hi, I have had experience with a lot of them in the past. Deciding a board relies largely on cost vs how much are you willing to code. Is cost a consideration?. The gumstix is a good option however note that the USB in that is a USB client (gadget) and not a USB host so it wont be able to use a hard drive or anything similar (if you want to log). This is a better option if you want a USB host. http://beagleboard.org/hardware It might also be overkill as its got opengl accelerator as well. However the USB host opens up a wide range of devices. Your other option, if size is not a consideration is to buy an openwrt capable router and install linux on there, this will give you linux on a network capable device with some limited IO ports using GPIO. Depending on the routeer type you might have to solder an RS232 connector to the board. This is probably the best cost to performance ratio for a network gadget since you can get them for under 50 bucks. http://openwrt.org/ A whole lot of routers are supported. And some of them even have USB host. http://wiki.openwrt.org/Hardware/ It uses opkg to update which resembles debians apt and ipkg from the handhelds linux. Only problem with this route is that if the flashing / install is not done right you might end up with a brick as there is no JTAG to reinstall on some of them. Regards, Murali ----- Original Message ----- From: "worms" To: Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [brlug-general] embedded/gumstick/small form factor Linuxdevices >I am interested in this well, I want to get some very small, cheap and > low power devices that I can place on my network segments adhoc to do > diagnostics. > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Shannon Roddy wrote: >> Anyone have any experience using low power (PoE?), small form factor, >> flash >> based linux emedded devices? I may have a use for a few, but don't want >> to >> blindly start procuring devices and testing if anyone can make >> recommendations. >> >> Thanks, >> Shannon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this message by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, or distribution of the message, or any action or omission taken by you in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please delete the message and immediately contact the sender if you have received this message in error. From williamhill2 at cox.net Sat Feb 14 12:46:55 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:46:55 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competiton. Message-ID: <200902141246.56702.williamhill2@cox.net> E17 + Compiz. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/13/video-elive-e17/ With more than one cube, E17 will deliver what I've come to expect from E16 - multiple desktops each with multiple windows and and easy way to view and select between them. They run it on a EEEPC, so the performance hit is not so bad. With 3D accel, it looks as fast or faster than E16 in 2D. While Windows 7 tries to catch up to KDE and Mac, free software is leaving them that many more years in the past. Well, it's not entirely free. http://www.elivecd.org/ http://www.elivecd.org/Help/License It's got non commercial clauses. That's a shame and it will cause delays between when they get things done and when the rest of the world will have it as free software. Take what it gives. From johnalexhebert at gmail.com Sun Feb 15 13:48:10 2009 From: johnalexhebert at gmail.com (John Hebert) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:48:10 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competiton Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:46:55 -0600 > From: Will Hill > > http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/13/video-elive-e17/ > If Steve Ballmer grabbed his breast while demoing Vista, would you like it more? > While Windows 7 tries to catch up to KDE and Mac, free software is leaving > them that many more years in the past. Well, it's not entirely free. *snorts milk through nose* > It's got non commercial clauses. That's a shame and it will cause delays > between when they get things done and when the rest of the world will have > it > as free software. Take what it gives. > WTF? But ... you said ... software freedom ... ?!? Just kidding, Will. Don't flame me, bro. :) John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eac at motion-labs.com Wed Feb 18 14:28:00 2009 From: eac at motion-labs.com (Edmund Cramp) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:28:00 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competiton. In-Reply-To: <200902141246.56702.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <86c9d72a.1c99207.1904f20.29@motion-labs.com> >From the elivecd web page - "The minimum hardware for running Elive is a 100 MHz CPU and 64 MB of RAM, but the minimum recommended hardware is 300 MHz and 128 Mb of RAM." The Microsoft XP minimum spec was 233MHz CPU and 64Mb of RAM, with 300MHz and 128Mb recommended, but quite honestly XP is unusable (for me at least) at anything less than 1.6GHz and 1Gb. I've tried various alternative distributions over the years and generally found that, despite claims to the contrary, most OS's are not that much fun unless you have a fast machine or a CLI. I'll be interested to play with elive since I've got a 1Gb, 512Mb machine needing a good fscking before I reinstall XP on it - I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's useable. Regards, Edmund Cramp - eac at motion-labs.com -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Will Hill Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:47 PM To: General at brlug.net; Desktop SIG Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competiton. E17 + Compiz. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/13/video-elive-e17/ With more than one cube, E17 will deliver what I've come to expect from E16 - multiple desktops each with multiple windows and and easy way to view and select between them. They run it on a EEEPC, so the performance hit is not so bad. With 3D accel, it looks as fast or faster than E16 in 2D. While Windows 7 tries to catch up to KDE and Mac, free software is leaving them that many more years in the past. Well, it's not entirely free. http://www.elivecd.org/ http://www.elivecd.org/Help/License It's got non commercial clauses. That's a shame and it will cause delays between when they get things done and when the rest of the world will have it as free software. Take what it gives. _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From ECRichards at fbd.com Wed Feb 18 14:46:37 2009 From: ECRichards at fbd.com (Richards Jr, Edward C.) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:46:37 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competition. References: <86c9d72a.1c99207.1904f20.29@motion-labs.com> Message-ID: I have an Asus EeePC with 512 meg ram, of which the video ram is also shared, and ran Elive on it from a thumb drive and it worked QUITE well! Very snappy, with all of the eye candy running, Compiz, et al. In fact, I liked it well enough that I was going to install it on the Eee but there was something about needing an install key and I couldn't figure out how to implement that, so I stopped. It does just fine with Ubuntu 8.10 on it. Ed Richards -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Edmund Cramp Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:28 PM To: 'general at brlug.net' Subject: Re: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competiton. >From the elivecd web page - "The minimum hardware for running Elive is a 100 MHz CPU and 64 MB of RAM, but the minimum recommended hardware is 300 MHz and 128 Mb of RAM." The Microsoft XP minimum spec was 233MHz CPU and 64Mb of RAM, with 300MHz and 128Mb recommended, but quite honestly XP is unusable (for me at least) at anything less than 1.6GHz and 1Gb. I've tried various alternative distributions over the years and generally found that, despite claims to the contrary, most OS's are not that much fun unless you have a fast machine or a CLI. I'll be interested to play with elive since I've got a 1Gb, 512Mb machine needing a good fscking before I reinstall XP on it - I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's useable. Regards, Edmund Cramp - eac at motion-labs.com -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Will Hill Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:47 PM To: General at brlug.net; Desktop SIG Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competiton. E17 + Compiz. http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/13/video-elive-e17/ With more than one cube, E17 will deliver what I've come to expect from E16 - multiple desktops each with multiple windows and and easy way to view and select between them. They run it on a EEEPC, so the performance hit is not so bad. With 3D accel, it looks as fast or faster than E16 in 2D. While Windows 7 tries to catch up to KDE and Mac, free software is leaving them that many more years in the past. Well, it's not entirely free. http://www.elivecd.org/ http://www.elivecd.org/Help/License It's got non commercial clauses. That's a shame and it will cause delays between when they get things done and when the rest of the world will have it as free software. Take what it gives. _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From kory_wnuk at yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 16:47:00 2009 From: kory_wnuk at yahoo.com (Kory Wnuk) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:47:00 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competition. In-Reply-To: References: <86c9d72a.1c99207.1904f20.29@motion-labs.com> Message-ID: <1234997220.7171.11.camel@ubuntu> Did you grab a copy of the stable or latest ISO? I am asking this out of curiosity with reference to the install key requirement. While I did not actually install the unstable ISO, and did not use it on a low-powered machine, I did run from a CD and was definitely impressed with the sophisticated (I am not sure how else to describe it) look and feel of the GUI. -K On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 14:46 -0600, Richards Jr, Edward C. wrote: > I have an Asus EeePC with 512 meg ram, of which the video ram is also > shared, and ran Elive on it from a thumb drive and it worked QUITE well! > Very snappy, with all of the eye candy running, Compiz, et al. In fact, > I liked it well enough that I was going to install it on the Eee but > there was something about needing an install key and I couldn't figure > out how to implement that, so I stopped. It does just fine with Ubuntu > 8.10 on it. > > Ed Richards Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. - Albert Einstein From pietu at weblizards.net Wed Feb 18 17:29:42 2009 From: pietu at weblizards.net (Petri Laihonen) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:29:42 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competition. In-Reply-To: <1234997220.7171.11.camel@ubuntu> References: <86c9d72a.1c99207.1904f20.29@motion-labs.com> <1234997220.7171.11.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: <499C99E6.5080207@weblizards.net> I as well downloaded the "beta" version of the ISO and run off of the CD. I did not install it because wireless did not work. (Should've worked fine with madwifi drivers, but no.....) I can see the my wireless network and various different non-existent bogus networks, but could not connect to mine at all. Other than that, it run nicely on a sub par laptop. Petri Kory Wnuk wrote: > Did you grab a copy of the stable or latest ISO? I am asking this out > of curiosity with reference to the install key requirement. While I did > not actually install the unstable ISO, and did not use it on a > low-powered machine, I did run from a CD and was definitely impressed > with the sophisticated (I am not sure how else to describe it) look and > feel of the GUI. > > -K > > On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 14:46 -0600, Richards Jr, Edward C. wrote: > >> I have an Asus EeePC with 512 meg ram, of which the video ram is also >> shared, and ran Elive on it from a thumb drive and it worked QUITE well! >> Very snappy, with all of the eye candy running, Compiz, et al. In fact, >> I liked it well enough that I was going to install it on the Eee but >> there was something about needing an install key and I couldn't figure >> out how to implement that, so I stopped. It does just fine with Ubuntu >> 8.10 on it. >> >> Ed Richards >> > > Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you > will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains > something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. - Albert Einstein > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ECRichards at fbd.com Thu Feb 19 10:06:07 2009 From: ECRichards at fbd.com (Richards Jr, Edward C.) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:06:07 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competition. References: <86c9d72a.1c99207.1904f20.29@motion-labs.com> <1234997220.7171.11.camel@ubuntu> Message-ID: I grabbed the unstable ISO and used unetbootin to install it to a USB thumb drive. I then tried to install it to a spare 4 gig SD card. After finishing the partitioning phase, the installer stated that I needed an installer key package and gave a URL for getting it, but had no directions/instruction on how to use it. I tried moving it to the thumb drive, but it wouldn't let me do that and without this install key being installed/copied/something to some appropriate place, the install stops. I did a quick Google search, didn't find anything promising and moved on to other things. It seems illogical to me to produce such a nice, slick and apparently n00bie friendly and n00bie targeted distro and then throw such a HUGE obstacle in the way of what should be a very simple installation. I was planning on demonstrating it to our Linux Desktop Special Interest Group/Newbies Group, but if I can't install it and be able to upgrade it/install additional packages, then I sure can't teach them to be able to do it. Ed -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Kory Wnuk Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:47 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] E16 finally has serious competition. Did you grab a copy of the stable or latest ISO? I am asking this out of curiosity with reference to the install key requirement. While I did not actually install the unstable ISO, and did not use it on a low-powered machine, I did run from a CD and was definitely impressed with the sophisticated (I am not sure how else to describe it) look and feel of the GUI. -K On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 14:46 -0600, Richards Jr, Edward C. wrote: > I have an Asus EeePC with 512 meg ram, of which the video ram is also > shared, and ran Elive on it from a thumb drive and it worked QUITE well! > Very snappy, with all of the eye candy running, Compiz, et al. In fact, > I liked it well enough that I was going to install it on the Eee but > there was something about needing an install key and I couldn't figure > out how to implement that, so I stopped. It does just fine with Ubuntu > 8.10 on it. > > Ed Richards Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. - Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From csf006+brlug at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 12:13:25 2009 From: csf006+brlug at gmail.com (CM Banker) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:13:25 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together Message-ID: Gang, It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which resturant shall we invade? Craig From gentooman at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 15:02:53 2009 From: gentooman at gmail.com (Alvaro Zuniga) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:02:53 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902201502.53154.gentooman@gmail.com> Hooters, Yesss! Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could easily accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. Let's do this! AZ On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: > Gang, > > It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which > resturant shall we invade? > > Craig > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From csf006+brlug at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 15:39:44 2009 From: csf006+brlug at gmail.com (CM Banker) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:39:44 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together In-Reply-To: <200902201502.53154.gentooman@gmail.com> References: <200902201502.53154.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > Hooters, Yesss! > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could easily > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > > Let's do this! > > AZ > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >> Gang, >> >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >> resturant shall we invade? >> >> Craig >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From karthik at poobal.net Fri Feb 20 15:45:29 2009 From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobalasubramanian) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:45:29 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together In-Reply-To: References: <200902201502.53154.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: chimes. Any week day will work for me. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 Sent from my mobile On Feb 20, 2009, at 15:39, CM Banker wrote: > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > wrote: >> Hooters, Yesss! >> >> Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could >> easily >> accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >> >> Let's do this! >> >> AZ >> >> On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >>> Gang, >>> >>> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >>> resturant shall we invade? >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> General mailing list >>> General at brlug.net >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From gentooman at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 16:21:56 2009 From: gentooman at gmail.com (Alvaro Zuniga) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:21:56 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together In-Reply-To: References: <200902201502.53154.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902201621.56740.gentooman@gmail.com> Chimes is good for me too! On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > > Hooters, Yesss! > > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could easily > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > > > > Let's do this! > > > > AZ > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: > >> Gang, > >> > >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which > >> resturant shall we invade? > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> General mailing list > >> General at brlug.net > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > General mailing list > > General at brlug.net > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From bendily at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 17:14:44 2009 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:14:44 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together In-Reply-To: <200902201621.56740.gentooman@gmail.com> References: <200902201502.53154.gentooman@gmail.com> <200902201621.56740.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at the gates at LSU!!! i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a baby 1 week and 1 day ago!!! bb On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > Chimes is good for me too! > > On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: > > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... > > > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > wrote: > > > Hooters, Yesss! > > > > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could easily > > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > > > > > > Let's do this! > > > > > > AZ > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: > > >> Gang, > > >> > > >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which > > >> resturant shall we invade? > > >> > > >> Craig > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> General mailing list > > >> General at brlug.net > > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > General mailing list > > > General at brlug.net > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > General mailing list > > General at brlug.net > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -- Have Mercy & Say Yeah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonlancekulp at gmail.com Fri Feb 20 17:21:38 2009 From: jonlancekulp at gmail.com (Jonathan Kulp) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:21:38 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together In-Reply-To: References: <200902201502.53154.gentooman@gmail.com> <200902201621.56740.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: <499F3B02.8070306@gmail.com> Brad Bendily wrote: > chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at the > gates at LSU!!! > i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a baby 1 > week and 1 day ago!!! > bb > Congrats on the baby! Hope you get some sleep soon... Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com From gentooman at gmail.com Sat Feb 21 09:30:45 2009 From: gentooman at gmail.com (Alvaro Zuniga) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:30:45 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together In-Reply-To: References: <200902201621.56740.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902210930.45105.gentooman@gmail.com> Good Job man, congratulations! Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey and it not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and friendly as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad experiences and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. Food tastes better too! That is the one. AZ On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: > chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at the > gates at LSU!!! > i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a baby 1 > week and 1 day ago!!! > bb > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > > > Chimes is good for me too! > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: > > > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... > > > > > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > > wrote: > > > > Hooters, Yesss! > > > > > > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could easily > > > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > > > > > > > > Let's do this! > > > > > > > > AZ > > > > > > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: > > > >> Gang, > > > >> > > > >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which > > > >> resturant shall we invade? > > > >> > > > >> Craig > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> General mailing list > > > >> General at brlug.net > > > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > General mailing list > > > > General at brlug.net > > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > General mailing list > > > General at brlug.net > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > General mailing list > > General at brlug.net > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > > > -- > Have Mercy & Say Yeah > From csf006+brlug at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 10:15:52 2009 From: csf006+brlug at gmail.com (CM Banker) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:15:52 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together In-Reply-To: <200902210930.45105.gentooman@gmail.com> References: <200902201621.56740.gentooman@gmail.com> <200902210930.45105.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > Good Job man, congratulations! > > Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. > > I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey and it > not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and friendly > as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad experiences > and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. > > I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. Food > tastes better too! That is the one. > > AZ > > On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at the >> gates at LSU!!! >> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a baby 1 >> week and 1 day ago!!! >> bb >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: >> >> > Chimes is good for me too! >> > >> > On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: >> > > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... >> > > >> > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) >> > > >> > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >> > wrote: >> > > > Hooters, Yesss! >> > > > >> > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could easily >> > > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >> > > > >> > > > Let's do this! >> > > > >> > > > AZ >> > > > >> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >> > > >> Gang, >> > > >> >> > > >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >> > > >> resturant shall we invade? >> > > >> >> > > >> Craig >> > > >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> General mailing list >> > > >> General at brlug.net >> > > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > General mailing list >> > > > General at brlug.net >> > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > General mailing list >> > > General at brlug.net >> > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > General mailing list >> > General at brlug.net >> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From csf006+brlug at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 10:18:54 2009 From: csf006+brlug at gmail.com (CM Banker) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:18:54 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! Message-ID: My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until he's 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... the CHIMES has universal approval... Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? Vote up ppl... On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker wrote: > Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get > smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: >> Good Job man, congratulations! >> >> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. >> >> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey and it >> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and friendly >> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad experiences >> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. >> >> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. Food >> tastes better too! That is the one. >> >> AZ >> >> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at the >>> gates at LSU!!! >>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a baby 1 >>> week and 1 day ago!!! >>> bb >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: >>> >>> > Chimes is good for me too! >>> > >>> > On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: >>> > > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... >>> > > >>> > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>> > wrote: >>> > > > Hooters, Yesss! >>> > > > >>> > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could easily >>> > > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >>> > > > >>> > > > Let's do this! >>> > > > >>> > > > AZ >>> > > > >>> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >>> > > >> Gang, >>> > > >> >>> > > >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >>> > > >> resturant shall we invade? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Craig >>> > > >> >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > > >> General mailing list >>> > > >> General at brlug.net >>> > > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> > > >> >>> > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > General mailing list >>> > > > General at brlug.net >>> > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > General mailing list >>> > > General at brlug.net >>> > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> > > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > General mailing list >>> > General at brlug.net >>> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > From gentooman at gmail.com Tue Feb 24 11:40:49 2009 From: gentooman at gmail.com (Alvaro Zuniga) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:40:49 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902241140.49628.gentooman@gmail.com> Guys, Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed me we can only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning area we would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably need some volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really packed. Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! later, On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: > My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until he's > 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... > > the CHIMES has universal approval... > > Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) > .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? > > > Vote up ppl... > > > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker wrote: > > Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get > > smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol > > > > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > >> Good Job man, congratulations! > >> > >> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. > >> > >> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey and it > >> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and friendly > >> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad experiences > >> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. > >> > >> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. Food > >> tastes better too! That is the one. > >> > >> AZ > >> > >> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: > >>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at the > >>> gates at LSU!!! > >>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a baby 1 > >>> week and 1 day ago!!! > >>> bb > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > >>> > >>> > Chimes is good for me too! > >>> > > >>> > On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: > >>> > > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... > >>> > > > >>> > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of March) > >>> > > > >>> > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > >>> > wrote: > >>> > > > Hooters, Yesss! > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could easily > >>> > > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Let's do this! > >>> > > > > >>> > > > AZ > >>> > > > > >>> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: > >>> > > >> Gang, > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which > >>> > > >> resturant shall we invade? > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> Craig > >>> > > >> > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >>> > > >> General mailing list > >>> > > >> General at brlug.net > >>> > > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > > >> > >>> > > > > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > > General mailing list > >>> > > > General at brlug.net > >>> > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > General mailing list > >>> > > General at brlug.net > >>> > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > General mailing list > >>> > General at brlug.net > >>> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> General mailing list > >> General at brlug.net > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From bendily at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 00:00:38 2009 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:00:38 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? Message-ID: I'm sure everyone has read the headlines on this. http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-oblige-microsoft-offer-competitors-browsers/article-179602 It's not that I like MS or anything, but i don't understand why this is the right thing to do. This seems similar to the EU telling Ford they should offer other openly available engines in their vehicles, instead of their own model. I guess they do things differently at the EU. One of the other arguments I've read about this before is that you don't see any programmers who make calculators, upset that MS includes a calculator for free in Windows. If I have a business that makes a product, why should I let anyone (including the government) tell me what I should do with or put in my product (other than illegal materials). thoughts? bb -- Have Mercy & Say Yeah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Having said that, it sounds like we should probably move this to the politics area of the or the brlug :-) take care, AZ On Wednesday 25 February 2009 00:00:38 Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm sure everyone has read the headlines on this. > http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-oblige-microsoft-offer-competitors-browsers/article-179602 > > It's not that I like MS or anything, but i don't understand why this is the > right thing to do. > This seems similar to the EU telling Ford they should offer other openly > available engines in their vehicles, instead of > their own model. > I guess they do things differently at the EU. > One of the other arguments I've read about this before is that you don't see > any programmers who make calculators, > upset that MS includes a calculator for free in Windows. > > If I have a business that makes a product, why should I let anyone > (including the government) tell me what I should > do with or put in my product (other than illegal materials). > > thoughts? > bb > -- > Have Mercy & Say Yeah > From karthik at poobal.net Wed Feb 25 10:24:18 2009 From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobal) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:24:18 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DD5AD3-EAC4-4869-9A71-14C2D03935C0@poobal.net> I agree that when you put out a product you should be free to do what you want with it but unfortunately when companies have more than 90% of share in a market, they tend to strong arm their competition. Assuming Ford is the only major manufacturer of automobile engines in EU and there are other engine manufacturers, that analogy would be okay. I don't necessarily agree with the EU solution. Its weak and half ass but its more than what we did. What happened to the anti- trust suit against MS? Besides, how can MS remove IE? Personally, I think the hardware manufacturers should be able to offer PCs without an OS or at least have more options. This is where, I think, MS is being more anticompetitive. Now, should we force them? I don't know. Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a preloaded linux one from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:00 AM, Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm sure everyone has read the headlines on this. > http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-oblige-microsoft-offer-competitors-browsers/article-179602 > > It's not that I like MS or anything, but i don't understand why this > is the right thing to do. > This seems similar to the EU telling Ford they should offer other > openly available engines in their vehicles, instead of > their own model. > I guess they do things differently at the EU. > One of the other arguments I've read about this before is that you > don't see any programmers who make calculators, > upset that MS includes a calculator for free in Windows. > > If I have a business that makes a product, why should I let anyone > (including the government) tell me what I should > do with or put in my product (other than illegal materials). > > thoughts? > bb > -- > Have Mercy & Say Yeah > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From tfournet at tfour.net Wed Feb 25 11:17:08 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:17:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? In-Reply-To: <16009929.141235581684176.JavaMail.ASPEN$@ASPEN> Message-ID: <1629203.161235582230160.JavaMail.ASPEN$@ASPEN> Back when this first became an issue, web browsers were still considered an add-on to basic computing for the most part. These days web-based applications are often misssion-critical for a lot of companies and users, and the idea of booting up a new computing without a browser can be troublesome. I'd like to see something where during the initial system preparation wizards, the user is presented with the option of using the MS browser or loading an optional 3rd party browser, be it Firefox, Opera, Safari, or whatever. They do something similar with the default search provider now. A few years ago, the idea of "integrating" the web browser with the hosting operating system was a lot bigger than it is now. These days, we think of the web browser as an operating system in and of itself, and as long as the thing works, and is reasonably secure, most people don't care which one they're running. We run applications over a web browser the same way we would be running them locally, and for the most part I believe that it's for the best. I think MS in general doesn't really care which browser people use either, since it's no longer directly tied to profits. To go back to the Ford analogy -- I think if Ford could reasonably make cars without engines, and find a way to still maintain the same profit margins on the cars, they'd seriously consider it. The only drawback would be making sure that the consumer had a choice of a quality engine to put in the car. There would have to be some levels of quality control so that a consumer putting a bad engine in a car wouldn't turn around and blame Ford. Cars and computers make good analogies because they're so complicated, and 99% of the world never fully understands how they work. A lot of time and effort has to go in to making sure that either nothing will go wrong, or when something does go wrong, the right party gets the support call. The way Apple sees it, they don't trust anyone but themselves to have their hands in the guts. They don't want to open their platform to anyone else mainly because they don't want their name tarnished by bad experiences with lesser-quality components. That's why they shut down the clone market, and that's why they won't let their OS (legally) run on commodity hardware. If you limit the options available, you limit the variables where something can go wrong. They've been successful in some aspects, and a failure in other because of this. It's a complete opposite of an Open Source "tinkerer's" market, even thought they've adopted *some* open source software to build it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karthik Poobal" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:24:18 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? I agree that when you put out a product you should be free to do what you want with it but unfortunately when companies have more than 90% of share in a market, they tend to strong arm their competition. Assuming Ford is the only major manufacturer of automobile engines in EU and there are other engine manufacturers, that analogy would be okay. I don't necessarily agree with the EU solution. Its weak and half ass but its more than what we did. What happened to the anti- trust suit against MS? Besides, how can MS remove IE? Personally, I think the hardware manufacturers should be able to offer PCs without an OS or at least have more options. This is where, I think, MS is being more anticompetitive. Now, should we force them? I don't know. Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a preloaded linux one from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 12:00 AM, Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm sure everyone has read the headlines on this. > http://www.euractiv.com/en/infosociety/eu-oblige-microsoft-offer-competitors-browsers/article-179602 > > It's not that I like MS or anything, but i don't understand why this > is the right thing to do. > This seems similar to the EU telling Ford they should offer other > openly available engines in their vehicles, instead of > their own model. > I guess they do things differently at the EU. > One of the other arguments I've read about this before is that you > don't see any programmers who make calculators, > upset that MS includes a calculator for free in Windows. > > If I have a business that makes a product, why should I let anyone > (including the government) tell me what I should > do with or put in my product (other than illegal materials). > > thoughts? > bb > -- > Have Mercy & Say Yeah > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From MarkL at lmfj.com Wed Feb 25 11:15:51 2009 From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:15:51 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? In-Reply-To: <49DD5AD3-EAC4-4869-9A71-14C2D03935C0@poobal.net> References: <49DD5AD3-EAC4-4869-9A71-14C2D03935C0@poobal.net> Message-ID: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F020E7635C0@lmfjex07.lmfj.com> > Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a preloaded linux one > from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago and that makes a big difference. Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS option in various web based build your computer interfaces - remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user but I can see why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and thus more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their margin on that machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to do even with a phone call unless they got a really good phone rep (unlikely) or called the business orders division where its more common. I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take more of the market share, there will be more variety in whats available from big name computer vendors, I think it is a slow road but there is progress being made. Once Google releases their OS I think there will be much more of a take off of OEM support for home users not running Windows. ML Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . From tfournet at tfour.net Wed Feb 25 13:51:12 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:51:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? In-Reply-To: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F020E7635C0@lmfjex07.lmfj.com> Message-ID: <12648731.241235591478691.JavaMail.ASPEN$@ASPEN> The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is something like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a process to order machines without an OS for the small number of people who would even request that sort of thing, you can see why the big box manufacturers don't want to deal with it. A local computer shop will do it because it's not like they have to interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark A. Lappin" To: "general at brlug.net" Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? > Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a preloaded linux one > from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago and that makes a big difference. Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS option in various web based build your computer interfaces - remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user but I can see why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and thus more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their margin on that machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to do even with a phone call unless they got a really good phone rep (unlikely) or called the business orders division where its more common. I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take more of the market share, there will be more variety in whats available from big name computer vendors, I think it is a slow road but there is progress being made. Once Google releases their OS I think there will be much more of a take off of OEM support for home users not running Windows. ML Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From bendily at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 14:02:53 2009 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:02:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? In-Reply-To: <12648731.241235591478691.JavaMail.ASPEN$@ASPEN> References: <12648731.241235591478691.JavaMail.ASPEN$@ASPEN> Message-ID: I'm wondering though, at least for Dell, I assume they have an image and the hard drives get imaged way before the assembly line. So, to have an option at the assembly line that says, select drive 1 for Windows or drive 2 for OSS... wouldn't be too much to add. I dunno, i have no idea how it actually works at dell, but it might not be too hard to add. bb On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Tim Fournet wrote: > The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is something like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a process to order machines without an OS for the small number of people who would even request that sort of thing, you can see why the big box manufacturers don't want to deal with it. A local computer shop will do it because it's not like they have to interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark A. Lappin" > To: "general at brlug.net" > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? > >> Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could not get a preloaded linux one >> from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. > > > > A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago and that makes a big difference. > > Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS option in various web based build your computer interfaces - remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user but I can see > why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and thus more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their margin on that machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to do even with a phone call unless they got a really good phone rep (unlikely) or called the business orders division where its more common. > > I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take more of the market share, there will be more variety in whats available from big name computer vendors, I think it is a slow road but there is progress being made. Once Google releases their OS I think there will be much more of a take off of OEM support for home users not running Windows. > > > ML > > > Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry > Director of Information Technology > 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 > Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 > www.lmfj.com > > > > This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From karthik at poobal.net Wed Feb 25 14:57:16 2009 From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobal) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:57:16 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? In-Reply-To: References: <12648731.241235591478691.JavaMail.ASPEN$@ASPEN> Message-ID: I think the subsidies that Tim talks about is if the manufacturer offers only windows. I think the cost of windows goes up if they offer OSS options. The last time I bought a windows XP system builder's version it cost around $100 bucks. That to me is an anticompetitive practice. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm wondering though, at least for Dell, I assume they have an image > and the hard drives get imaged way before the assembly line. So, to > have > an option at the assembly line that says, select drive 1 for Windows > or > drive 2 for OSS... wouldn't be too much to add. I dunno, i have no > idea > how it actually works at dell, but it might not be too hard to add. > bb > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Tim Fournet wrote: > >> The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is >> something like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a >> process to order machines without an OS for the small number of >> people who would even request that sort of thing, you can see why >> the big box manufacturers don't want to deal with it. A local >> computer shop will do it because it's not like they have to >> interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark A. Lappin" >> To: "general at brlug.net" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >> Central >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other >> browsers? >> >>> Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could >>> not get a preloaded linux one >>> from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit >>> better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. >> >> >> >> A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as >> my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered >> OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User >> desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it >> installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get >> into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be >> a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to >> mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more >> people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago >> and that makes a big difference. >> >> Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to >> as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in >> working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate >> purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local >> computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS >> (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few >> bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM >> Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS >> option in various web based build your computer interfaces - >> remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and >> have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an >> option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to >> save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated >> and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% >> agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user >> but I can see >> why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and >> thus more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their >> margin on that machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to >> do even with a phone call unless they got a really good phone rep >> (unlikely) or called the business orders division where its more >> common. >> >> I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take >> more of the market share, there will be more variety in whats >> available from big name computer vendors, I think it is a slow road >> but there is progress being made. Once Google releases their OS I >> think there will be much more of a take off of OEM support for home >> users not running Windows. >> >> >> ML >> >> >> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry >> Director of Information Technology >> 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 >> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 >> www.lmfj.com >> >> >> >> This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not >> the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail >> and destroy all copies of this communication . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From tfournet at tfour.net Wed Feb 25 15:14:27 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:14:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? In-Reply-To: <16737182.321235596286127.JavaMail.ASPEN$@ASPEN> Message-ID: <9690017.341235596472808.JavaMail.ASPEN$@ASPEN> Yes, MS will contribute "Marketing Funds" back to you when you complete certain requirements, like offering machines only with options for Windows. The bigger you are, the more you get, so you can't really blame the Dells of the world for passing them up. In the end, it ends up costing the end user more to get options without Windows... And at some point you have to ask yourself if it's worth paying more to NOT get the license, even if you don't plan on using it. I think for most people, even the ones that plan to put a Linux boot CD in the first time they turn the thing on, it's just something to accept and move on. If it's any consolation, MS doesn't really make money on desktop operating systems sales anymore anyway. The real money is in application suites and services. The desktop OS is just their means of locking the users in - but if you don't run it, and you don't buy the apps from them, then they don't really benefit. Sure, they can count you as one of their "installed" users but that's just giving them more bad data, which in the long run hurts them too... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karthik Poobal" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:57:16 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other browsers? I think the subsidies that Tim talks about is if the manufacturer offers only windows. I think the cost of windows goes up if they offer OSS options. The last time I bought a windows XP system builder's version it cost around $100 bucks. That to me is an anticompetitive practice. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > I'm wondering though, at least for Dell, I assume they have an image > and the hard drives get imaged way before the assembly line. So, to > have > an option at the assembly line that says, select drive 1 for Windows > or > drive 2 for OSS... wouldn't be too much to add. I dunno, i have no > idea > how it actually works at dell, but it might not be too hard to add. > bb > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, Tim Fournet wrote: > >> The cost for an OEM copy of windows, after all the subsidies is >> something like $35. If you take into account the costs to build a >> process to order machines without an OS for the small number of >> people who would even request that sort of thing, you can see why >> the big box manufacturers don't want to deal with it. A local >> computer shop will do it because it's not like they have to >> interrupt an assembly line to one-off an image >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark A. Lappin" >> To: "general at brlug.net" >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:15:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada >> Central >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] ms to remove IE, or will add other >> browsers? >> >>> Few years ago when I was looking into getting a laptop, I could >>> not get a preloaded linux one >>> from any "major" manufacturer. The situation is a little bit >>> better now. BTW the same issue applies to Apple. >> >> >> >> A few years ago is a whole different story. I don't use linux as >> my primary desktop OS but on the last several systems I've ordered >> OEM, linux has been an option for the pre-installed OS. End-User >> desktop linux has really matured over the last few years, it >> installs easily, supports a lot more hardware without having to get >> into anything to technical which if I were an OEM provider would be >> a critical decision for me on what OS' to make available. Not to >> mention what does the purchasing market want/demand. Many more >> people are non-Windows aware now than they were even 3 years ago >> and that makes a big difference. >> >> Re getting a machine with no pre-installed OS, I've never tried to >> as a home user but have been doing so in my work life since 2001 in >> working for various helpdesks/IT departments with corporate >> purchasing accounts. The few machines I had custom built at local >> computer shops it was never a problem to get without the OS >> (although it really only lowered the cost of the machine by a few >> bucks, I never quite figured out that pricing structure for OEM >> Windows XP). For the Average user I can see not putting a no OS >> option in various web based build your computer interfaces - >> remember the average user just wants to turn their computer on and >> have it work, if a company easily offered to the masses no OS as an >> option with a "subtract $399" option, the average user wanting to >> save $400 would take it, end up calling support, being frustrated >> and then mad that it just didn't work. I am not saying I 100% >> agree with not making it an easy option for the average home user >> but I can see >> why OEM vendors would not want to make it easy to do, more work and >> thus more money they may potentially have to spend meaning their >> margin on that machine just went down. I doubt it would be easy to >> do even with a phone call unless they got a really good phone rep >> (unlikely) or called the business orders division where its more >> common. >> >> I think in today's world and as non-Microsoft OS' start to take >> more of the market share, there will be more variety in whats >> available from big name computer vendors, I think it is a slow road >> but there is progress being made. Once Google releases their OS I >> think there will be much more of a take off of OEM support for home >> users not running Windows. >> >> >> ML >> >> >> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry >> Director of Information Technology >> 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 >> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 >> www.lmfj.com >> >> >> >> This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not >> the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail >> and destroy all copies of this communication . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From csf006+brlug at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:38:12 2009 From: csf006+brlug at gmail.com (CM Banker) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:38:12 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! In-Reply-To: <200902241140.49628.gentooman@gmail.com> References: <200902241140.49628.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: Final Count.... On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > Guys, > Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed me we can > only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning area we > would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably need some > volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really packed. > Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! > > later, > > On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: >> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until he's >> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... >> >> the CHIMES has universal approval... >> >> Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) >> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? >> >> >> Vote up ppl... >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker >> wrote: >> > Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get >> > smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol >> > >> > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga > wrote: >> >> Good Job man, congratulations! >> >> >> >> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. >> >> >> >> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey > and it >> >> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and > friendly >> >> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad > experiences >> >> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. >> >> >> >> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. >> >> Food >> >> tastes better too! That is the one. >> >> >> >> AZ >> >> >> >> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >> >>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at >> >>> the >> >>> gates at LSU!!! >> >>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a >> >>> baby > 1 >> >>> week and 1 day ago!!! >> >>> bb >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> > Chimes is good for me too! >> >>> > >> >>> > On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: >> >>> > > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of >> >>> > > March) >> >>> > > >> >>> > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >> >>> > > >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> > > > Hooters, Yesss! >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could > easily >> >>> > > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Let's do this! >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > AZ >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >> >>> > > >> Gang, >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >> >>> > > >> resturant shall we invade? >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> Craig >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > >> General mailing list >> >>> > > >> General at brlug.net >> >>> > > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> > > >> >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > > General mailing list >> >>> > > > General at brlug.net >> >>> > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > > General mailing list >> >>> > > General at brlug.net >> >>> > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > General mailing list >> >>> > General at brlug.net >> >>> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> General mailing list >> >> General at brlug.net >> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From karthik at poobal.net Wed Feb 25 18:51:23 2009 From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobal) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:51:23 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! In-Reply-To: References: <200902241140.49628.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75597B7E-4E4A-47D6-B091-DCAD1CD168F2@poobal.net> I am in for tomorrow. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 6:38 PM, CM Banker wrote: > Final Count.... > > On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: >> Guys, >> Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed >> me we can >> only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning >> area we >> would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably >> need some >> volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really >> packed. >> Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! >> >> later, >> >> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: >>> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until >>> he's >>> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... >>> >>> the CHIMES has universal approval... >>> >>> Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) >>> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? >>> >>> >>> Vote up ppl... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker >>> wrote: >>>> Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get >>>> smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>> >> wrote: >>>>> Good Job man, congratulations! >>>>> >>>>> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. >>>>> >>>>> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on >>>>> Coursey >> and it >>>>> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and >> friendly >>>>> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad >> experiences >>>>> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. >>>>> >>>>> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite >>>>> often. >>>>> Food >>>>> tastes better too! That is the one. >>>>> >>>>> AZ >>>>> >>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >>>>>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... >>>>>> that's at >>>>>> the >>>>>> gates at LSU!!! >>>>>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just >>>>>> had a >>>>>> baby >> 1 >>>>>> week and 1 day ago!!! >>>>>> bb >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chimes is good for me too! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: >>>>>>>> Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of >>>>>>>> March) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hooters, Yesss! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which >>>>>>>>> could >> easily >>>>>>>>> accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's do this! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AZ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Gang, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >>>>>>>>>> resturant shall we invade? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> General mailing list >>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> General mailing list >>> General at brlug.net >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From bendily at gmail.com Wed Feb 25 21:55:15 2009 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:55:15 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! In-Reply-To: <75597B7E-4E4A-47D6-B091-DCAD1CD168F2@poobal.net> References: <200902241140.49628.gentooman@gmail.com> <75597B7E-4E4A-47D6-B091-DCAD1CD168F2@poobal.net> Message-ID: i'm out, i have company for a few nights. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Karthik Poobal wrote: > I am in for tomorrow. > -- > Karthik Poobalasubramanian > Louisiana Board of Regents > karthik at poobal.net > karthik at la.gov > 225-910-6126 > skype: poobal > > > > > > > On Feb 25, 2009, at 6:38 PM, CM Banker wrote: > > > Final Count.... > > > > On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > >> Guys, > >> Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed > >> me we can > >> only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning > >> area we > >> would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably > >> need some > >> volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really > >> packed. > >> Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! > >> > >> later, > >> > >> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: > >>> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until > >>> he's > >>> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... > >>> > >>> the CHIMES has universal approval... > >>> > >>> Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) > >>> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? > >>> > >>> > >>> Vote up ppl... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker > > > >>> wrote: > >>>> Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get > >>>> smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga > >>>> > >> wrote: > >>>>> Good Job man, congratulations! > >>>>> > >>>>> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. > >>>>> > >>>>> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on > >>>>> Coursey > >> and it > >>>>> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and > >> friendly > >>>>> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad > >> experiences > >>>>> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. > >>>>> > >>>>> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite > >>>>> often. > >>>>> Food > >>>>> tastes better too! That is the one. > >>>>> > >>>>> AZ > >>>>> > >>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: > >>>>>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... > >>>>>> that's at > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> gates at LSU!!! > >>>>>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just > >>>>>> had a > >>>>>> baby > >> 1 > >>>>>> week and 1 day ago!!! > >>>>>> bb > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>>> > > >> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Chimes is good for me too! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: > >>>>>>>> Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of > >>>>>>>> March) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> Hooters, Yesss! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which > >>>>>>>>> could > >> easily > >>>>>>>>> accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Let's do this! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> AZ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> Gang, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which > >>>>>>>>>> resturant shall we invade? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Craig > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>> General mailing list > >>>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net > >>>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> General mailing list > >>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net > >>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> General mailing list > >>>>>>>> General at brlug.net > >>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> General mailing list > >>>>>>> General at brlug.net > >>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> General mailing list > >>>>> General at brlug.net > >>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> General mailing list > >>> General at brlug.net > >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> General mailing list > >> General at brlug.net > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > General mailing list > > General at brlug.net > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -- Have Mercy & Say Yeah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jfruge4 at lsu.edu Thu Feb 26 06:47:29 2009 From: jfruge4 at lsu.edu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joshua_Frug=E9?=) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:47:29 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! In-Reply-To: References: <200902241140.49628.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49A68F61.6040603@lsu.edu> I'll show up. CM Banker wrote: > Final Count.... > > On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > >> Guys, >> Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed me we can >> only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning area we >> would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably need some >> volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really packed. >> Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! >> >> later, >> >> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: >> >>> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until he's >>> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... >>> >>> the CHIMES has universal approval... >>> >>> Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) >>> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? >>> >>> >>> Vote up ppl... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get >>>> smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>> Good Job man, congratulations! >>>>> >>>>> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. >>>>> >>>>> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey >>>>> >> and it >> >>>>> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and >>>>> >> friendly >> >>>>> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad >>>>> >> experiences >> >>>>> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. >>>>> >>>>> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. >>>>> Food >>>>> tastes better too! That is the one. >>>>> >>>>> AZ >>>>> >>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at >>>>>> the >>>>>> gates at LSU!!! >>>>>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a >>>>>> baby >>>>>> >> 1 >> >>>>>> week and 1 day ago!!! >>>>>> bb >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>>> >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> Chimes is good for me too! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of >>>>>>>> March) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hooters, Yesss! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could >>>>>>>>> >> easily >> >>>>>>>>> accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's do this! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AZ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gang, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >>>>>>>>>> resturant shall we invade? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> General mailing list >>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> General mailing list >>> General at brlug.net >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- Joshua Frug? Information Technology Services Louisiana State University 225-578-3363 jfruge4 at lsu.edu From gentooman at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 10:04:39 2009 From: gentooman at gmail.com (Alvaro Zuniga) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:04:39 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! In-Reply-To: References: <200902241140.49628.gentooman@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200902261004.39415.gentooman@gmail.com> I am in for sure! On Wednesday 25 February 2009 18:38:12 CM Banker wrote: > Final Count.... > > On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: > > Guys, > > Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed me we can > > only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning area we > > would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably need some > > volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really packed. > > Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! > > > > later, > > > > On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: > >> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until he's > >> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... > >> > >> the CHIMES has universal approval... > >> > >> Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) > >> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? > >> > >> > >> Vote up ppl... > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker > >> wrote: > >> > Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get > >> > smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol > >> > > >> > On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga > > wrote: > >> >> Good Job man, congratulations! > >> >> > >> >> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. > >> >> > >> >> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey > > and it > >> >> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and > > friendly > >> >> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad > > experiences > >> >> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. > >> >> > >> >> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. > >> >> Food > >> >> tastes better too! That is the one. > >> >> > >> >> AZ > >> >> > >> >> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: > >> >>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at > >> >>> the > >> >>> gates at LSU!!! > >> >>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a > >> >>> baby > > 1 > >> >>> week and 1 day ago!!! > >> >>> bb > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > Chimes is good for me too! > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: > >> >>> > > Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of > >> >>> > > March) > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> > > > Hooters, Yesss! > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could > > easily > >> >>> > > > accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > Let's do this! > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > AZ > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: > >> >>> > > >> Gang, > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which > >> >>> > > >> resturant shall we invade? > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> Craig > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> > > >> General mailing list > >> >>> > > >> General at brlug.net > >> >>> > > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> >>> > > >> > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> >>> > > > General mailing list > >> >>> > > > General at brlug.net > >> >>> > > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> >>> > > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >> >>> > > General mailing list > >> >>> > > General at brlug.net > >> >>> > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ > >> >>> > General mailing list > >> >>> > General at brlug.net > >> >>> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> General mailing list > >> >> General at brlug.net > >> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> General mailing list > >> General at brlug.net > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > General mailing list > > General at brlug.net > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Thu Feb 26 10:43:28 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:43:28 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E05FB4E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> I would totally go, but I have Cooper, so I can't. :) ________________________________ From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Brad Bendily Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 9:55 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! i'm out, i have company for a few nights. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Karthik Poobal wrote: I am in for tomorrow. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 skype: poobal On Feb 25, 2009, at 6:38 PM, CM Banker wrote: > Final Count.... > > On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: >> Guys, >> Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed >> me we can >> only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning >> area we >> would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably >> need some >> volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really >> packed. >> Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! >> >> later, >> >> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: >>> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until >>> he's >>> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... >>> >>> the CHIMES has universal approval... >>> >>> Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) >>> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? >>> >>> >>> Vote up ppl... >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker > >>> wrote: >>>> Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get >>>> smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>> >> wrote: >>>>> Good Job man, congratulations! >>>>> >>>>> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. >>>>> >>>>> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on >>>>> Coursey >> and it >>>>> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and >> friendly >>>>> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad >> experiences >>>>> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. >>>>> >>>>> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite >>>>> often. >>>>> Food >>>>> tastes better too! That is the one. >>>>> >>>>> AZ >>>>> >>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >>>>>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... >>>>>> that's at >>>>>> the >>>>>> gates at LSU!!! >>>>>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just >>>>>> had a >>>>>> baby >> 1 >>>>>> week and 1 day ago!!! >>>>>> bb >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>> > >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chimes is good for me too! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: >>>>>>>> Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of >>>>>>>> March) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hooters, Yesss! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which >>>>>>>>> could >> easily >>>>>>>>> accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's do this! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> AZ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Gang, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >>>>>>>>>> resturant shall we invade? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> General mailing list >>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> General mailing list >>> General at brlug.net >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- Have Mercy & Say Yeah -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From csf006+brlug at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 11:04:25 2009 From: csf006+brlug at gmail.com (CM Banker) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:04:25 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Feast/Get Together - Chimes! In-Reply-To: <49A68F61.6040603@lsu.edu> References: <200902241140.49628.gentooman@gmail.com> <49A68F61.6040603@lsu.edu> Message-ID: As of this morning.... I'm iffy.... I have to deliver a release that has not been released to me yet. I'm scrambling for my fallback position. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Joshua Frug? wrote: > I'll show up. > > CM Banker wrote: >> Final Count.... >> >> On 2/24/09, Alvaro Zuniga wrote: >> >>> Guys, >>> Thursday works good for me! 7:30? I just called and they informed me we can >>> only reserve the wine cellar room. If we want to sit in the dinning area we >>> would need at least half the party present. So, we will probably need some >>> volunteers to arrive there earlier because that place gets really packed. >>> Also, asked about the age requirement and there is none. I am in! >>> >>> later, >>> >>> On Tuesday 24 February 2009 10:18:54 CM Banker wrote: >>> >>>> My underage son wants to go...lol..guess he'll have to wait until he's >>>> 18. He can finish his nexuiz maps in the mean time...... >>>> >>>> the CHIMES has universal approval... >>>> >>>> Lets put a date on it....This Week? (I'll be out of town next week) >>>> .. if so...Wed or Thursday...7:00 ? >>>> >>>> >>>> Vote up ppl... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM, CM Banker >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Congrats on the Baby....needs a tux hat..or when the diapers get >>>>> smelly a BSD daemon doll....lol >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>> Good Job man, congratulations! >>>>>> >>>>>> Did he already get a linux t-shirt? A baby hat would be cool. >>>>>> >>>>>> I must agree with you about Chimes. I live close to the one on Coursey >>>>>> >>> and it >>> >>>>>> not as warm. The people that work there are not nearly as nice and >>>>>> >>> friendly >>> >>>>>> as those at LSU. That makes the difference. I had a couple of bad >>>>>> >>> experiences >>> >>>>>> and although I would go back I would prefer to go elsewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> I love the one at the gates. I drive all the way there quite often. >>>>>> Food >>>>>> tastes better too! That is the one. >>>>>> >>>>>> AZ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 17:14:44 Brad Bendily wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> chimes is excellent.but there is only one REAL chimes.... that's at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> gates at LSU!!! >>>>>>> i'd like to go, but I don't know if I will since my wife just had a >>>>>>> baby >>>>>>> >>> 1 >>> >>>>>>> week and 1 day ago!!! >>>>>>> bb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> Chimes is good for me too! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 15:39:44 CM Banker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vote in folks.... dates and locations ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chimes on a Tue or Wed is good for me (except for 1st week of >>>>>>>>> March) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Alvaro Zuniga >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hooters, Yesss! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Also, the Chimes at LSU has a nice room in the back which could >>>>>>>>>> >>> easily >>> >>>>>>>>>> accommodate 10 -12 people maybe even more. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let's do this! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> AZ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday 20 February 2009 12:13:25 CM Banker wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gang, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It has been too long. How about another Geek Feast. Which >>>>>>>>>>> resturant shall we invade? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Have Mercy & Say Yeah >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> General mailing list >>>>>> General at brlug.net >>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> General mailing list >>>> General at brlug.net >>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> General mailing list >>> General at brlug.net >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> > > -- > Joshua Frug? > Information Technology Services > Louisiana State University > 225-578-3363 > jfruge4 at lsu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Fri Feb 27 15:04:01 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:04:01 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Hard drive recovery Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E05FB91@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> We know about some good places out of town, but are there any companies local to this part of Louisiana that do hard drive recovery? -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From MarkL at lmfj.com Fri Feb 27 15:04:35 2009 From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:04:35 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Hard drive recovery In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E05FB91@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E05FB91@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Message-ID: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F020E763610@lmfjex07.lmfj.com> There was a company in New Orleans -- they got some press shortly after Katrina for recovering data from flooded HDDs. I think I talked to them about 2 years ago when one of the computers here died but the amount was to expensive. I don't have any specific contact info for you though. Mark Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 3:04 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: [brlug-general] Hard drive recovery We know about some good places out of town, but are there any companies local to this part of Louisiana that do hard drive recovery? -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net