From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jan 2 07:10:42 2009 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 05:10:42 -0800 Subject: [brlug-general] BerkeleyTIP TOMORROW Jan 3 Sat- Party Time :) Video Talks: Asterisk, GPU Message-ID: <1230901842.16326.1292669469@webmail.messagingengine.com> YOU ARE INVITED TO ATTEND :) Join in with the friendly BTIP people. IRC & VOIP communication - Use Ekiga VOIP SW & a Headset. GLOBAL SIMULTANEOUS GNU(Linux), BSD & All Free SW & HW Monthly Meeting TIP = Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty January 3rd 2009, Saturday. Time: 10 AM - 6 PM (All times Pacific USA) Adjust for your local time zone. (Ex: = 1 PM - 9 PM Eastern) http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal [Click "Join this group" on the right page side to join the mail list.] VIDEO TALKS 12N - The Asterisk Telephone System - Paul Charles Leddy NYLUG 2PM - GPU Computing - John Stone CLUG.org.za == TALK TOPICS, PROGRAMMING PARTY, INSTALLFEST, DISCUSSION == Two great TALK TOPICS this month, one on the Asterisk Telephone/VOIP system, and the other on GPUs - Graphics Processing Units (the hardware in graphics cards) which can do general purpose computing. The directed PROGRAMMING PARTY will be to investigate Asterisk & Ekiga with a goal to work on improving their technology for VOIP for the BerkTIP-Global meeting. Undirected = work on whatever you're interested in - what _is_ that? Post a message to the BTIP-Global list. INSTALLFEST: Maybe several laptop installs/upgrades in Berkeley, KUbuntu & RH likely. What are _you_ looking to do? Post a message to the BTIP-Global list. DISCUSSION ITEMS: Lots of exciting things to talk about: New AMD Phenom II out Jan 8th, 64bit GUI distros, Firefox multi instance. Is OpenOffice in poor development shape? What's the best File System? Intel hires Alan Cox. BTIP VOIP improvement features. And, planning for the 2009 year - What would be fun to try to accomplish this year? International members? Better VOIP? Video conferencing? Live talks? ===================================================================== ===== BERKELEY-TIP: WHAT IT IS, WHAT WE DO, YOU ARE INVITED ======= BerkeleyTIP is the MONTHLY GLOBAL / world wide GNU(Linux), BSD & all Free Software & Hardware MEETING. SIMULTANEOUS around the world. TIP = Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal [Click "Join this group" on the right page side to join the mail list.] The 1st Saturday of every month. We get together to LEARN, TALK, HELP, HAVE FUN, & PRODUCE more FREE SOFTWARE. And, wherever you are, you're invited. :) Come to Berkeley, or join with us on line, using VOIP & IRC. Beginner to Expert - Old to Young - Student, Working or Retired - Male or Female - Everyone is INVITED & WELCOME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROGRAM, OR BE A PROGRAMMER. END USERS WELCOME TO LEARN, CHAT, GET INSTALL HELP, etc. JOIN with the meeting FOR ALL OR JUST PART of the TIME. JOIN with the meeting FOR ALL OR JUST SOME of the ACTIVITIES. ===================================================================== ===== CONTENTS: ===== 1) IRC & VOIP Communication ===== 2) VIDEO Talks- Thanks to CLUG & NYLUG videographers! ===== 3) ProgrammingParty = VOIP ===== 4) INSTALLFEST ===== 1) IRC & VOIP Communication Join from home, or wherever you can get an IRC & VOIP connection. Join by yourself, or with friends. IRC: Freenode.net, Channel: #BerkeleyTIP VOIP: Use Ekiga SW & a VOIP headset, Do an Ekiga loopback test before the meeting, to ensure your system works properly. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/irc-voip Join the IRC channel & we'll help you get set up on VOIP. ===== 2) VIDEO Talks- Thanks to CLUG & NYLUG videographers! Times are Pacific USA time - Adjust for your local time zone: Ex: Eastern time = Pacific + 3, ie 12N PST = 3PM EST 12N - The Asterisk Telephone System - Paul Charles Leddy NYLUG 2PM - GPU Computing - John Stone CLUG www.clug.org.za Download the videos the day or night before, so your connection is free for VOIP, not consumed by the video download. Videos are typically 100 MB - 1 GB. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/videos == DOWNLOAD LINKS The Asterisk Free Software Telephone System - Paul Charles Leddy Run time: 1:22:15 http://nylug.org/meetings/index.shtml?20081000 http://www.archive.org/details/NYLUG_2008_10_23_General_Meeting_Video/ GPU Computing - John Stone Keywords: GPU Computing; Parallel computing; HPC; high performance computing; protein folding; vmd Run time: 01:42:37 http://www.archive.org/details/clug-28-10-2008-gpu-computing ===== 3) ProgrammingParty = VOIP We'll work on learning about the Ekiga & Asterisk software. Goal is to improve the SW or config to improve aspects of VOIP for the BTIP meeting - more end user info, details about the connection, communication between client & server, & server admin interface. ===== 4) INSTALLFEST In Berkeley we'll likely be working to figure out why a Dell Vostro 1 yr old with a new KUbuntu 8.04 (I chose that over 8.10 to avoid KDE 4 till its got more bugs out & more features in) is locking up, in fact might have messed up the booting SW, cause it hangs booting linux now, but boots the preinstalled-nonfreesw OS. Possible suspects: bad WiFi driver, bad NVidia HW or driver, perhaps leading to bad disk writes. Or, maybe bad disk or controller or MBoard? IF item 2: is a possible Ubuntu Intrepid install help. IF item 3: is a possible distro upgrade on a 5+yo IBM thinkpad with a several years old RH. The owner knows in the past there have been problems with the power management or battery driver, & hates dealing with the details of having to investigate & locate a driver, then patch & compile a custom kernel to make it work. ===== What questions do you have? Join the group mailing lists & say hi, or ask any questions. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIP [Click "Join this group" on the right page side to join the mail list.] ===== You are welcome to forward this announcement anywhere you think appropriate. From dustin at puryear-it.com Fri Jan 2 12:25:20 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:25:20 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Symantec Backup Exec 12 Message-ID: <495E5C10.8060301@puryear-it.com> Hi guys- If you or someone you know is familiar with Symantec Backup Exec 12 then forward them to me, thanks! We may need a little extra help for an upcoming project and we're a little tied up with current work. They can work offsite and during or after business hours. Thanks! -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From jellis1947 at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 09:05:20 2009 From: jellis1947 at gmail.com (John Ellis) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 09:05:20 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Symantec Backup Exec 12 In-Reply-To: <495E5C10.8060301@puryear-it.com> References: <495E5C10.8060301@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: <81e3d4810901040705v36559e3ct32b8891d9140ce5b@mail.gmail.com> I have had experience with Symantec versions since 8.6. What is the particular problem you envision? 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URL: From joey at joeykelly.net Sun Jan 11 00:31:21 2009 From: joey at joeykelly.net (Joey Kelly) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:31:21 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Using SSH to set up a VPN Message-ID: <200901110031.22411.joey@joeykelly.net> Guys, Call this a mini-howto if you like. If you see any problems, please let me know, so I can correct them. If you're a roaming user or you're trying to link a satellite office to the main network, SSH can handle the job. Other solutions exist, and SSH isn't perfect, but this is probably the simplest trick out there. OpenSSH since version 4.3 has the ability to set up TUN/TAP tunnels. I'm sure most of you have set up port-forwarding via SSH, but this is a little different than that. Instead of forwarding one TCP port to a host on the other side of the target SSH server, TUN/TAP lets you route between networks as if both networks are on the same LAN. We're setting up an IP tunnel here using TUN, but you could just as easily set up a layer-2 bridge between two LANs by using the TAP interface instead. Let's say you're on a laptop in a coffee shop and want to reach your home or office network. Your home LAN is on a 192.168.0.0/24 subnet. Bear in mind that the router at home needs to have "PermitTunnel yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and "Tunnel yes" and "TunnelDevice any:any" should be listed in /etc/ssh_config on your laptop. Also, the tun driver needs to load on both your laptop and the router. By the way, your router at home has the external IP address 1.2.3.4. On the laptop, log in to your router at home as root: ssh -w0:0 1.2.3.4 which creates a tunnel between your laptop and the router at home. After you've logged in to the router, run the command ifconfig tun0 10.2.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.252 on the router, which will give the an IP address to the far end of the tunnel. At this point, you don't have to do anything else on the router. Back on your laptop, you have to set an IP address on your end of the tunnel, and set up routing to your LAN at home: ifconfig tun0 10.2.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 route add -net 192.168.0.0/24 dev tun0 At this point you should be able to ping any IP on your LAN at home, from your laptop. Congrats, your VPN is set up and you're good to go. If you were trying to set up a remote office, the only thing you'd need to do is set up a route on the main office router to reach hosts on the satellite LAN. So, how does it work? SSH allows you to set up a virtual interface, as noted, which functions as a tunnel with two endpoints. You place an IP address at each end of the tunnel, then set up a route at one or both ends to tell hosts each end how to reach hosts on the other end. Routed traffic passes through the tunnel, all nice and encrypted via SSH. Assuming everything is configured correctly and the tun0 interface comes upon both ends, you can construct a scriptable VPN with only four or five commands. -- Joey Kelly < Minister of the Gospel | Linux Consultant > 01101101 01101101 01101100 01101010 00110100 http://joeykelly.net From pietu at weblizards.net Sun Jan 11 08:23:31 2009 From: pietu at weblizards.net (Petri Laihonen) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:23:31 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Using SSH to set up a VPN In-Reply-To: <200901110031.22411.joey@joeykelly.net> References: <200901110031.22411.joey@joeykelly.net> Message-ID: <496A00E3.4060408@weblizards.net> Interesting.... While I do not have time to make any comparisons, I still wonder which one would be simpler (or perhaps same amount of effort) OpenVPN (also uses TUN) or SSH like explaned below. Petr Joey Kelly wrote: > Guys, > > Call this a mini-howto if you like. If you see any problems, please let me > know, so I can correct them. > > If you're a roaming user or you're trying to link a satellite office to the > main network, SSH can handle the job. Other solutions exist, and SSH isn't > perfect, but this is probably the simplest trick out there. > > OpenSSH since version 4.3 has the ability to set up TUN/TAP tunnels. I'm sure > most of you have set up port-forwarding via SSH, but this is a little > different than that. Instead of forwarding one TCP port to a host on the other > side of the target SSH server, TUN/TAP lets you route between networks as if > both networks are on the same LAN. We're setting up an IP tunnel here using > TUN, but you could just as easily set up a layer-2 bridge between two LANs by > using the TAP interface instead. > > Let's say you're on a laptop in a coffee shop and want to reach your home or > office network. Your home LAN is on a 192.168.0.0/24 subnet. Bear in mind that > the router at home needs to have "PermitTunnel yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, > and "Tunnel yes" and "TunnelDevice any:any" should be listed in > /etc/ssh_config on your laptop. Also, the tun driver needs to load on both > your laptop and the router. By the way, your router at home has the external > IP address 1.2.3.4. > > On the laptop, log in to your router at home as root: > > ssh -w0:0 1.2.3.4 > > which creates a tunnel between your laptop and the router at home. After > you've logged in to the router, run the command > > ifconfig tun0 10.2.2.2 netmask 255.255.255.252 > > on the router, which will give the an IP address to the far end of the tunnel. > At this point, you don't have to do anything else on the router. > > > Back on your laptop, you have to set an IP address on your end of the tunnel, > and set up routing to your LAN at home: > > ifconfig tun0 10.2.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.252 > route add -net 192.168.0.0/24 dev tun0 > > > At this point you should be able to ping any IP on your LAN at home, from your > laptop. Congrats, your VPN is set up and you're good to go. > > > If you were trying to set up a remote office, the only thing you'd need to do > is set up a route on the main office router to reach hosts on the satellite > LAN. > > > So, how does it work? SSH allows you to set up a virtual interface, as noted, > which functions as a tunnel with two endpoints. You place an IP address at > each end of the tunnel, then set up a route at one or both ends to tell hosts > each end how to reach hosts on the other end. Routed traffic passes through > the tunnel, all nice and encrypted via SSH. Assuming everything is configured > correctly and the tun0 interface comes upon both ends, you can construct a > scriptable VPN with only four or five commands. > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From johnalexhebert at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 23:11:14 2009 From: johnalexhebert at gmail.com (John Hebert) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 23:11:14 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Using SSH to set up a VPN Message-ID: > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 08:23:31 -0600 > From: Petri Laihonen > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Using SSH to set up a VPN > To: general at brlug.net > Cc: nolug at nolug.org > Message-ID: <496A00E3.4060408 at weblizards.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Interesting.... > While I do not have time to make any comparisons, I still wonder which > one would be simpler (or perhaps same amount of effort) > OpenVPN (also uses TUN) or SSH like explaned below. > > Petr I like learning how to solve larger IT problems with a smaller set of generic tools, like SSH and other common UNIX utilities. It helps me broaden my knowledge of IT in general. Nice write-up Joey! I'd like to see more short articles and howtos like this on the list. 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I've started a project at work to monitor availability of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but the docs are pretty slim. I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP get from my workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP works on it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the app's agent on the server. There are too many factors with that configuration to mention now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and receiving) using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be done using only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is cross-platform. And yes, it is open source. ;) Thanks! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bendily at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 13:42:52 2009 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:42:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor availability > of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but the docs are > pretty slim. > > I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP get from my > workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP works on > it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the app's agent > on the server. There are too many factors with that configuration to mention > now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. > > What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and receiving) > using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be done using > only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is cross-platform. And yes, it > is open source. ;) > We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open manage package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info off the server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had with snmp is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. To get open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm version, the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password in dell open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at all. for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: trapsink 10.1.1.1 public The man page says you should also use: trapcommunity STRING defines the default community string to be used when sending traps. Note that this directive must be used prior to any community-based trap destination directives that need to use it. trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor that server! Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. b From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 13:49:18 2009 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:49:18 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! http://cacti.net/ Adam Melancon On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > > I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor > availability > > of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but the docs are > > pretty slim. > > > > I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP get from > my > > workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP works on > > it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the app's > agent > > on the server. There are too many factors with that configuration to > mention > > now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. > > > > What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and receiving) > > using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be done > using > > only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is cross-platform. And yes, > it > > is open source. ;) > > > > We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open manage > package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info off the > server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had with snmp > is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a > different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. To get > open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm version, > the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password in dell > open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at all. > for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: > > trapsink 10.1.1.1 public > > The man page says you should also use: > trapcommunity STRING > defines the default community string to be used when sending > traps. Note that this directive > must be used prior to any community-based trap destination > directives that need to use it. > > trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] > > > However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of > something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our > open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor that > server! > > Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. > b > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ray at ops.selu.edu Wed Jan 14 14:11:58 2009 From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:11:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> References: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We use cacti too. Have you set it up to catch snmp traps? ray On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Adam Melancon wrote: > I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! > http://cacti.net/ > > Adam Melancon > > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > >>> I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor >> availability >>> of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but the docs are >>> pretty slim. >>> >>> I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP get from >> my >>> workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP works on >>> it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the app's >> agent >>> on the server. There are too many factors with that configuration to >> mention >>> now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. >>> >>> What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and receiving) >>> using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be done >> using >>> only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is cross-platform. And yes, >> it >>> is open source. ;) >>> >> >> We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open manage >> package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info off the >> server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had with snmp >> is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a >> different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. To get >> open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm version, >> the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password in dell >> open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at all. >> for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: >> >> trapsink 10.1.1.1 public >> >> The man page says you should also use: >> trapcommunity STRING >> defines the default community string to be used when sending >> traps. Note that this directive >> must be used prior to any community-based trap destination >> directives that need to use it. >> >> trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] >> >> >> However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of >> something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our >> open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor that >> server! >> >> Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. >> b >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ray DeJean http://www.r-a-y.org Systems Engineer Southeastern Louisiana University IBM Certified Specialist AIX Administration, AIX Support =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From adammelancon at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 15:16:10 2009 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:16:10 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: References: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <489287610901141316v3919663diece7ff0ae96fa133@mail.gmail.com> No, not yet, but I've been using it for years now. Mostly monitoring bandwidth on routers, access points, and switches. Adam Melancon On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:11 PM, -ray wrote: > > We use cacti too. Have you set it up to catch snmp traps? > > ray > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Adam Melancon wrote: > > > I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! > > http://cacti.net/ > > > > Adam Melancon > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > > > >>> I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor > >> availability > >>> of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but the docs > are > >>> pretty slim. > >>> > >>> I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP get > from > >> my > >>> workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP works on > >>> it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the app's > >> agent > >>> on the server. There are too many factors with that configuration to > >> mention > >>> now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. > >>> > >>> What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and > receiving) > >>> using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be done > >> using > >>> only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is cross-platform. And > yes, > >> it > >>> is open source. ;) > >>> > >> > >> We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open manage > >> package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info off the > >> server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had with snmp > >> is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a > >> different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. To get > >> open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm version, > >> the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password in dell > >> open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at all. > >> for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: > >> > >> trapsink 10.1.1.1 public > >> > >> The man page says you should also use: > >> trapcommunity STRING > >> defines the default community string to be used when sending > >> traps. Note that this directive > >> must be used prior to any community-based trap destination > >> directives that need to use it. > >> > >> trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] > >> > >> > >> However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of > >> something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our > >> open manage monitor server. 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URL: From dustin at puryear-it.com Thu Jan 15 09:27:01 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:27:01 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: References: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <496F55C5.70703@puryear-it.com> Wait. Cacti can do SNMP traps? What does it do with that data? Maybe I'm missing something.. :) -ray wrote: > We use cacti too. Have you set it up to catch snmp traps? > > ray > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Adam Melancon wrote: > >> I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! >> http://cacti.net/ >> >> Adam Melancon >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: >> >>>> I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor >>> availability >>>> of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but the docs are >>>> pretty slim. >>>> >>>> I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP get from >>> my >>>> workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP works on >>>> it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the app's >>> agent >>>> on the server. There are too many factors with that configuration to >>> mention >>>> now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. >>>> >>>> What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and receiving) >>>> using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be done >>> using >>>> only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is cross-platform. And yes, >>> it >>>> is open source. ;) >>>> >>> We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open manage >>> package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info off the >>> server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had with snmp >>> is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a >>> different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. To get >>> open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm version, >>> the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password in dell >>> open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at all. >>> for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: >>> >>> trapsink 10.1.1.1 public >>> >>> The man page says you should also use: >>> trapcommunity STRING >>> defines the default community string to be used when sending >>> traps. Note that this directive >>> must be used prior to any community-based trap destination >>> directives that need to use it. >>> >>> trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] >>> >>> >>> However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of >>> something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our >>> open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor that >>> server! >>> >>> Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. >>> b >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> General mailing list >>> General at brlug.net >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >>> > -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 09:31:19 2009 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:31:19 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: <496F55C5.70703@puryear-it.com> References: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> <496F55C5.70703@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: <489287610901150731n21b63568i7f054b5d2f015624@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, looks like I got caught in a "trap" and misunderstood the request. I'm just using cacti to monitor SNMP, not to catch traps. Adam Melancon On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote: > Wait. Cacti can do SNMP traps? What does it do with that data? Maybe I'm > missing something.. :) > > -ray wrote: > > We use cacti too. Have you set it up to catch snmp traps? > > > > ray > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Adam Melancon wrote: > > > >> I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! > >> http://cacti.net/ > >> > >> Adam Melancon > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily > wrote: > >> > >>>> I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor > >>> availability > >>>> of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but the docs > are > >>>> pretty slim. > >>>> > >>>> I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP get > from > >>> my > >>>> workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP works on > >>>> it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the app's > >>> agent > >>>> on the server. There are too many factors with that configuration to > >>> mention > >>>> now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. > >>>> > >>>> What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and > receiving) > >>>> using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be done > >>> using > >>>> only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is cross-platform. And > yes, > >>> it > >>>> is open source. ;) > >>>> > >>> We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open manage > >>> package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info off > the > >>> server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had with snmp > >>> is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a > >>> different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. To get > >>> open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm version, > >>> the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password in dell > >>> open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at all. > >>> for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: > >>> > >>> trapsink 10.1.1.1 public > >>> > >>> The man page says you should also use: > >>> trapcommunity STRING > >>> defines the default community string to be used when sending > >>> traps. Note that this directive > >>> must be used prior to any community-based trap destination > >>> directives that need to use it. > >>> > >>> trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] > >>> > >>> > >>> However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of > >>> something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our > >>> open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor that > >>> server! > >>> > >>> Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. > >>> b > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> General mailing list > >>> General at brlug.net > >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > > > > -- > Dustin Puryear > President and Sr. Consultant > Puryear Information Technology, LLC > 225-706-8414 x112 > http://www.puryear-it.com > > Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dustin at puryear-it.com Thu Jan 15 09:50:11 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:50:11 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: <489287610901150731n21b63568i7f054b5d2f015624@mail.gmail.com> References: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> <496F55C5.70703@puryear-it.com> <489287610901150731n21b63568i7f054b5d2f015624@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <496F5B33.3050605@puryear-it.com> Okay, I was wondering. AFAIK, Cacti just does graphing of SNMP data. I'm sure tools like Nagios, etc do work with SNMP traps though. Didn't someone come up with a Big Brother + Cacti integration dealie? Adam Melancon wrote: > Sorry, looks like I got caught in a "trap" and misunderstood the > request. I'm just using cacti to monitor SNMP, not to catch traps. > > Adam Melancon > > > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Dustin Puryear > wrote: > > Wait. Cacti can do SNMP traps? What does it do with that data? Maybe I'm > missing something.. :) > > -ray wrote: > > We use cacti too. Have you set it up to catch snmp traps? > > > > ray > > > > > > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Adam Melancon wrote: > > > >> I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! > >> http://cacti.net/ > >> > >> Adam Melancon > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily > wrote: > >> > >>>> I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor > >>> availability > >>>> of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but > the docs are > >>>> pretty slim. > >>>> > >>>> I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP > get from > >>> my > >>>> workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP > works on > >>>> it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the > app's > >>> agent > >>>> on the server. There are too many factors with that > configuration to > >>> mention > >>>> now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. > >>>> > >>>> What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and > receiving) > >>>> using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be > done > >>> using > >>>> only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is > cross-platform. And yes, > >>> it > >>>> is open source. ;) > >>>> > >>> We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open > manage > >>> package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info > off the > >>> server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had > with snmp > >>> is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a > >>> different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. > To get > >>> open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm > version, > >>> the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password > in dell > >>> open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at > all. > >>> for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: > >>> > >>> trapsink 10.1.1.1 public > >>> > >>> The man page says you should also use: > >>> trapcommunity STRING > >>> defines the default community string to be used when sending > >>> traps. Note that this directive > >>> must be used prior to any community-based trap destination > >>> directives that need to use it. > >>> > >>> trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] > >>> > >>> > >>> However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of > >>> something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our > >>> open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor that > >>> server! > >>> > >>> Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. > >>> b > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> General mailing list > >>> General at brlug.net > >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >>> > > > > -- > Dustin Puryear > President and Sr. Consultant > Puryear Information Technology, LLC > 225-706-8414 x112 > http://www.puryear-it.com > > Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. < > http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From tfournet at tfour.net Thu Jan 15 09:52:05 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:52:05 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: <496F5B33.3050605@puryear-it.com> References: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> <496F55C5.70703@puryear-it.com> <489287610901150731n21b63568i7f054b5d2f015624@mail.gmail.com> <496F5B33.3050605@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: <496F5BA5.6040703@tfour.net> Zenoss handles traps, as well as graphing, plus a lot of other nagios-like functionality, including the plugins. www.zenoss.org Dustin Puryear wrote: > Okay, I was wondering. AFAIK, Cacti just does graphing of SNMP data. I'm > sure tools like Nagios, etc do work with SNMP traps though. > > Didn't someone come up with a Big Brother + Cacti integration dealie? > > Adam Melancon wrote: > >> Sorry, looks like I got caught in a "trap" and misunderstood the >> request. I'm just using cacti to monitor SNMP, not to catch traps. >> >> Adam Melancon >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Dustin Puryear > > wrote: >> >> Wait. Cacti can do SNMP traps? What does it do with that data? Maybe I'm >> missing something.. :) >> >> -ray wrote: >> > We use cacti too. Have you set it up to catch snmp traps? >> > >> > ray >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Adam Melancon wrote: >> > >> >> I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! >> >> http://cacti.net/ >> >> >> >> Adam Melancon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily > > wrote: >> >> >> >>>> I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor >> >>> availability >> >>>> of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but >> the docs are >> >>>> pretty slim. >> >>>> >> >>>> I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP >> get from >> >>> my >> >>>> workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP >> works on >> >>>> it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the >> app's >> >>> agent >> >>>> on the server. There are too many factors with that >> configuration to >> >>> mention >> >>>> now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. >> >>>> >> >>>> What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and >> receiving) >> >>>> using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be >> done >> >>> using >> >>>> only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is >> cross-platform. And yes, >> >>> it >> >>>> is open source. ;) >> >>>> >> >>> We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open >> manage >> >>> package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info >> off the >> >>> server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had >> with snmp >> >>> is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a >> >>> different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. >> To get >> >>> open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm >> version, >> >>> the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password >> in dell >> >>> open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at >> all. >> >>> for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: >> >>> >> >>> trapsink 10.1.1.1 public >> >>> >> >>> The man page says you should also use: >> >>> trapcommunity STRING >> >>> defines the default community string to be used when sending >> >>> traps. Note that this directive >> >>> must be used prior to any community-based trap destination >> >>> directives that need to use it. >> >>> >> >>> trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of >> >>> something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our >> >>> open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor that >> >>> server! >> >>> >> >>> Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. >> >>> b >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> General mailing list >> >>> General at brlug.net >> >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> >> > >> >> -- >> Dustin Puryear >> President and Sr. Consultant >> Puryear Information Technology, LLC >> 225-706-8414 x112 >> http://www.puryear-it.com >> >> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" >> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> >> -- >> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. >> Click here to report this message as spam. < >> http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > From bendily at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:01:01 2009 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:01:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: <496F5B33.3050605@puryear-it.com> References: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> <496F55C5.70703@puryear-it.com> <489287610901150731n21b63568i7f054b5d2f015624@mail.gmail.com> <496F5B33.3050605@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: After a bit of googling, it seems that there is some configurations for getting cacti to handle traps. It may not be all native cacti, but it works with cacti. From what i can tell, they send traps to the cacti server, where they're stored in syslog. Then using the haloe plugin they pull the traps from syslog and graph/store them in cacti. I don't have all the answers, but a few relevant threads are: http://forums.cacti.net/viewtopic.php?t=26672 http://forums.cacti.net/post-48177.html&highlight= http://cactiusers.org/forums/topic489.html http://forums.cacti.net/about10694.html i love vmware, there's a vmware appliance for everything... if you'd like to test some stuff before building your own box, or test things on the vm before making too many changes on your box... http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/310 "Network Management Station - Cacti, Syslog, SNMP Traplog, Apache and MySQL" On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > Okay, I was wondering. AFAIK, Cacti just does graphing of SNMP data. I'm > sure tools like Nagios, etc do work with SNMP traps though. > > Didn't someone come up with a Big Brother + Cacti integration dealie? > > Adam Melancon wrote: >> Sorry, looks like I got caught in a "trap" and misunderstood the >> request. I'm just using cacti to monitor SNMP, not to catch traps. >> >> Adam Melancon >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Dustin Puryear > > wrote: >> >> Wait. Cacti can do SNMP traps? What does it do with that data? Maybe I'm >> missing something.. :) >> >> -ray wrote: >> > We use cacti too. Have you set it up to catch snmp traps? >> > >> > ray >> > >> > >> > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Adam Melancon wrote: >> > >> >> I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! >> >> http://cacti.net/ >> >> >> >> Adam Melancon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily > > wrote: >> >> >> >>>> I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor >> >>> availability >> >>>> of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but >> the docs are >> >>>> pretty slim. >> >>>> >> >>>> I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP >> get from >> >>> my >> >>>> workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP >> works on >> >>>> it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the >> app's >> >>> agent >> >>>> on the server. There are too many factors with that >> configuration to >> >>> mention >> >>>> now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. >> >>>> >> >>>> What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and >> receiving) >> >>>> using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be >> done >> >>> using >> >>>> only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is >> cross-platform. And yes, >> >>> it >> >>>> is open source. ;) >> >>>> >> >>> We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open >> manage >> >>> package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info >> off the >> >>> server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had >> with snmp >> >>> is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have a >> >>> different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. >> To get >> >>> open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm >> version, >> >>> the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password >> in dell >> >>> open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at >> all. >> >>> for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will be: >> >>> >> >>> trapsink 10.1.1.1 public >> >>> >> >>> The man page says you should also use: >> >>> trapcommunity STRING >> >>> defines the default community string to be used when sending >> >>> traps. Note that this directive >> >>> must be used prior to any community-based trap destination >> >>> directives that need to use it. >> >>> >> >>> trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part of >> >>> something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our >> >>> open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor that >> >>> server! >> >>> >> >>> Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. >> >>> b >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> General mailing list >> >>> General at brlug.net >> >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >>> >> > >> >> -- >> Dustin Puryear >> President and Sr. Consultant >> Puryear Information Technology, LLC >> 225-706-8414 x112 >> http://www.puryear-it.com >> >> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" >> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> >> -- >> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. >> Click here to report this message as spam. < >> http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- > Dustin Puryear > President and Sr. Consultant > Puryear Information Technology, LLC > 225-706-8414 x112 > http://www.puryear-it.com > > Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From adammelancon at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:51:03 2009 From: adammelancon at gmail.com (Adam Melancon) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:51:03 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] looking for SNMP info In-Reply-To: References: <489287610901141149o2b89b30fv4cd4b6e78eb67d9c@mail.gmail.com> <496F55C5.70703@puryear-it.com> <489287610901150731n21b63568i7f054b5d2f015624@mail.gmail.com> <496F5B33.3050605@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: <489287610901150851g739e7098l74ea4e047290f05a@mail.gmail.com> Thats funny you would mention that... my Cacti box IS running in a vmware virtual server! Adam Melancon On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Brad Bendily wrote: > After a bit of googling, it seems that there is some configurations for > getting cacti to handle traps. It may not be all native cacti, but it > works with cacti. From what i can tell, they send traps to the cacti > server, where they're stored in syslog. Then using the haloe plugin they > pull the traps from syslog and graph/store them in cacti. > > I don't have all the answers, but a few relevant threads are: > http://forums.cacti.net/viewtopic.php?t=26672 > http://forums.cacti.net/post-48177.html&highlight= > http://cactiusers.org/forums/topic489.html > http://forums.cacti.net/about10694.html > > > i love vmware, there's a vmware appliance for everything... > if you'd like to test some stuff before building your own box, or > test things on the vm before making too many changes on your box... > > http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/310 > "Network Management Station - Cacti, Syslog, SNMP Traplog, Apache and > MySQL" > > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > > > Okay, I was wondering. AFAIK, Cacti just does graphing of SNMP data. I'm > > sure tools like Nagios, etc do work with SNMP traps though. > > > > Didn't someone come up with a Big Brother + Cacti integration dealie? > > > > Adam Melancon wrote: > >> Sorry, looks like I got caught in a "trap" and misunderstood the > >> request. I'm just using cacti to monitor SNMP, not to catch traps. > >> > >> Adam Melancon > >> > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Dustin Puryear >> > wrote: > >> > >> Wait. Cacti can do SNMP traps? What does it do with that data? Maybe > I'm > >> missing something.. :) > >> > >> -ray wrote: > >> > We use cacti too. Have you set it up to catch snmp traps? > >> > > >> > ray > >> > > >> > > >> > On Wed, 14 Jan 2009, Adam Melancon wrote: > >> > > >> >> I use Cacti for all my SNMP monitoring. It works great! > >> >> http://cacti.net/ > >> >> > >> >> Adam Melancon > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Brad Bendily >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>> I am an SNMP newbie. I've started a project at work to monitor > >> >>> availability > >> >>>> of services on a server. These services support SNMP v1, but > >> the docs are > >> >>>> pretty slim. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I've been playing around with Net-SNMP and can do a simple SNMP > >> get from > >> >>> my > >> >>>> workstation for the server's name and so on, so I know SNMP > >> works on > >> >>>> it. However, I can't figure out how to receive a trap from the > >> app's > >> >>> agent > >> >>>> on the server. There are too many factors with that > >> configuration to > >> >>> mention > >> >>>> now, so I'd like to pose a simple question. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> What is the simplest demonstration of a trap (both sending and > >> receiving) > >> >>>> using the Net-SNMP (http://www.net-snmp.org) tools? Can this be > >> done > >> >>> using > >> >>>> only Net-SNMP tools? I'm using Net-SNMP as it is > >> cross-platform. And yes, > >> >>> it > >> >>>> is open source. ;) > >> >>>> > >> >>> We have dell servers at work and usually install the dell open > >> manage > >> >>> package. This adds the dell MIBs so we can get all kinds of info > >> off the > >> >>> server via snmp. We use SuSE servers, the problem I have had > >> with snmp > >> >>> is that for different versions of the net-snmp rpm i have to have > a > >> >>> different snmpd.conf. This partly due to the open manage stuff. > >> To get > >> >>> open manage to work you have to enable "smuxpeer". For one rpm > >> version, > >> >>> the smuxpeer needs a password and you have to set the password > >> in dell > >> >>> open manage. For another snmp rpm you don't need the password at > >> all. > >> >>> for traps you need to enable them via the conf file, which will > be: > >> >>> > >> >>> trapsink 10.1.1.1 public > >> >>> > >> >>> The man page says you should also use: > >> >>> trapcommunity STRING > >> >>> defines the default community string to be used when sending > >> >>> traps. Note that this directive > >> >>> must be used prior to any community-based trap destination > >> >>> directives that need to use it. > >> >>> > >> >>> trapsink HOST [COMMUNITY [PORT]] > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> However, our config doesn't use trapcommunity. This may be part > of > >> >>> something open manage does for us. But this sends traps to our > >> >>> open manage monitor server. Now we just need someone to monitor > that > >> >>> server! > >> >>> > >> >>> Hope this helps, let me know if I can do anything else. > >> >>> b > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> General mailing list > >> >>> General at brlug.net > >> >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> >>> > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Dustin Puryear > >> President and Sr. Consultant > >> Puryear Information Technology, LLC > >> 225-706-8414 x112 > >> http://www.puryear-it.com > >> > >> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" > >> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> General mailing list > >> General at brlug.net > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > >> Click here to report this message as spam. < > >> http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> General mailing list > >> General at brlug.net > >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > -- > > Dustin Puryear > > President and Sr. Consultant > > Puryear Information Technology, LLC > > 225-706-8414 x112 > > http://www.puryear-it.com > > > > Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" > > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > General mailing list > > General at brlug.net > > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sroddy at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 23:28:47 2009 From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:28:47 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Plasma vs. LCD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0901162128k59fb11cbr9cfb6e5a03c47e5d@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: > > I also recommend buying from Circuit City. Well, as long as they stay in > business. I started out looking at buying from Sears, but > they were out of stock that day. So I ended up at Circuit City for two > reasons. One, Circuit City matched the price that Sears was > offering. Two, because the price for warranty at Sears was about 1/3 the > cost of the TV whereas the price at Circuit City, for my TV, was $180. Much > cheaper. And the warranty from CC said they would replace the TV even if 1 > pixel went bad. That's what mostly sold > me. Now, lets hope they don't go out of business, then my fancy warranty > means nothing. > If no one else has informed you, it seems you fancy warranty indeed means nothing. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/16/195203 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karthik at poobal.net Fri Jan 16 23:35:50 2009 From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobal) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:35:50 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Plasma vs. LCD In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba0901162128k59fb11cbr9cfb6e5a03c47e5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <8d48b6ba0901162128k59fb11cbr9cfb6e5a03c47e5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <924AEDA2-D05F-4C56-B562-7663013CDFDA@poobal.net> Probably not. http://www.circuitcity.com/closed.html He still has his fancy warranty. Its been covered by Assurant Solutions. If Assurant closes, then the warranty is gone. -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Shannon Roddy wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Brad Bendily > wrote: > > I also recommend buying from Circuit City. Well, as long as they > stay in business. I started out looking at buying from Sears, but > they were out of stock that day. So I ended up at Circuit City for > two reasons. One, Circuit City matched the price that Sears was > offering. Two, because the price for warranty at Sears was about 1/3 > the cost of the TV whereas the price at Circuit City, for my TV, was > $180. Much cheaper. And the warranty from CC said they would replace > the TV even if 1 pixel went bad. That's what mostly sold > me. Now, lets hope they don't go out of business, then my fancy > warranty means nothing. > > > If no one else has informed you, it seems you fancy warranty indeed > means nothing. > > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/16/195203 > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PGP.sig Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 194 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sroddy at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 23:58:06 2009 From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:58:06 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Plasma vs. LCD In-Reply-To: <924AEDA2-D05F-4C56-B562-7663013CDFDA@poobal.net> References: <8d48b6ba0901162128k59fb11cbr9cfb6e5a03c47e5d@mail.gmail.com> <924AEDA2-D05F-4C56-B562-7663013CDFDA@poobal.net> Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0901162158g4768bda5s67fba0151cbfe036@mail.gmail.com> Heh... I stand corrected. :D On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:35 PM, Karthik Poobal wrote: > Probably not. > > http://www.circuitcity.com/closed.html > > He still has his fancy warranty. Its been covered by Assurant Solutions. If > Assurant closes, then the warranty is gone. > > > > -- > Karthik Poobalasubramanian > Louisiana Board of Regents > karthik at poobal.net > karthik at la.gov > 225-910-6126 > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:28 PM, Shannon Roddy wrote: > > >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Brad Bendily wrote: >> >> I also recommend buying from Circuit City. Well, as long as they stay in >> business. I started out looking at buying from Sears, but >> they were out of stock that day. So I ended up at Circuit City for two >> reasons. One, Circuit City matched the price that Sears was >> offering. Two, because the price for warranty at Sears was about 1/3 the >> cost of the TV whereas the price at Circuit City, for my TV, was $180. Much >> cheaper. And the warranty from CC said they would replace the TV even if 1 >> pixel went bad. That's what mostly sold >> me. Now, lets hope they don't go out of business, then my fancy warranty >> means nothing. >> >> >> If no one else has informed you, it seems you fancy warranty indeed means >> nothing. >> >> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news: >> http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/16/195203 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From williamhill2 at cox.net Sat Jan 17 08:55:51 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:55:51 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Plasma vs. LCD In-Reply-To: <924AEDA2-D05F-4C56-B562-7663013CDFDA@poobal.net> References: <8d48b6ba0901162128k59fb11cbr9cfb6e5a03c47e5d@mail.gmail.com> <924AEDA2-D05F-4C56-B562-7663013CDFDA@poobal.net> Message-ID: <200901170855.52001.williamhill2@cox.net> "And tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a phone call if you are unable to speak?" I wonder where you will take the TV to get a new one when the store is gone. Where will the warranty company will get a replacement? Have any of you actually gotten something out of a warranty? On Friday 16 January 2009, Karthik Poobal wrote: > Probably not. > > http://www.circuitcity.com/closed.html > > He still has his fancy warranty. Its been covered by Assurant > Solutions. If Assurant closes, then the warranty is gone. > From redstickham at cox.net Sat Jan 17 12:46:27 2009 From: redstickham at cox.net (Jonathan Helis) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:46:27 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Plasma vs. LCD Message-ID: <49722783.2090407@cox.net> > Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:55:51 -0600 > From: Will Hill > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Plasma vs. LCD > To: general at brlug.net > Message-ID: <200901170855.52001.williamhill2 at cox.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > "And tell me, Mr. Anderson, what good is a phone call if you are unable to > speak?" > > I wonder where you will take the TV to get a new one when the store is gone. > Where will the warranty company will get a replacement? > > Have any of you actually gotten something out of a warranty? I did see a post on Yahoo that since the warranties are covered by a 3rd party company, they will still be good however, the customer may have to ship their item off somewhere to get warranty work done on it. I'd check with them for sure though. I did have a TV once that actually started acting up twice during the manufacturer's warranty period, and a VCR that acted up once while under warranty. I got them both fixed for free and after that, both gave me many years of service. Those are the only instances I've ever had to use a warranty on an electronics product. Most electronics items I've bought lasted me several years and in many cases, I only got rid of them because something much better was available. As for extended warranties, I've never bought one until a recent purchase of a flat screen TV. It was an expensive purchase so we got the exteneded warranty though the manufacturer. Since it's a Magnavox, it's easy to get it fixed if needed. -- 73, Jonathan Helis, KB5IAV Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA From dustin at puryear-it.com Mon Jan 26 23:36:23 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:36:23 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Linux systems administrator position Message-ID: <497E9D57.1020305@puryear-it.com> Good news! Puryear IT is looking for a Linux geek. You'll be working directly for me with our clients to help build and manage Linux and UNIX solutions. Some experience with Windows is important because we often work with and maintain Windows-based solutions as well, including Active Directory. You need to be willing to work in Baton Rouge, since the majority of our clients are here, but we also do a good bit of telecommuting. If you don't live in Baton Rouge that is fine, but, again, the work itself is here. This is an excellent position to really hone your skills since we do some really cool work, especially in network security and identity and access management. Interested? Or know someone that is? Contact me directly at jobs at puryear-it.com with your cover letter, resume, and salary requirements. We are open to undergrad and grad students so long as you can put in the hours. Job Purpose: Maintains computing environment by identifying Linux system requirements; installing upgrades; monitoring system performance. Duties: * Establishes Linux system specifications by conferring with users; analyzing workflow, access, information, and security requirements; designing Linux system infrastructure. * Establishes Linux system by planning and executing the selection, installation, configuration, and testing of PC and server hardware, software, LAN and WAN networks, and Linux operating and system management systems; defining system and operational policies and procedures. * Maintains Linux system performance by performing system monitoring and analysis, and performance tuning; troubleshooting system hardware, software, networks and operating and system management systems; designing and running Linux system load/?stress testing; escalating application problems to vendor. * Secures Linux system by developing system access, monitoring, control, and evaluation; establishing and testing disaster recovery policies and procedures; completing back-ups; maintaining documentation. * Prepares users by designing and conducting Linux training programs; providing references and support. * Upgrades Linux system by conferring with vendors and services; developing, testing, evaluating, and installing enhancements and new software. * Updates job knowledge by participating in educational opportunities; reading professional publications; maintaining personal networks; participating in professional organizations. * Protects organization's value by keeping information confidential. * Accomplishes organization goals by accepting ownership for accomplishing new and different requests; exploring opportunities to add value to job accomplishments. Skills/Qualifications: Linux, System Administration, Developing Standards, LAN Knowledge, Proxy Servers, Training , Multi-tasking, On-Call, Networking Knowledge, Network Hardware Configuration, Network Maintenance -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From williamhill2 at cox.net Wed Jan 28 16:10:51 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:10:51 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. Message-ID: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/28/2153242 Because of the way YouTube stutters I thought they were already doing this. They have also already been caught "managing" p2p and admit to blocking ports, upload speed caps and other unpleasant breakage. Didn't they learn from Comcast? From tfournet at tfour.net Wed Jan 28 21:32:56 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:32:56 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <49812368.2030002@tfour.net> From the Description: """ / During the occasional times the network is congested, this new technology automatically ensures that all time-sensitive Internet traffic --- such as web pages, voice calls, streaming videos and gaming --- moves without delay. Less time-sensitive traffic, such as file uploads, peer-to-peer and Usenet newsgroups, may be delayed momentarily...' Sounds like throttling to me." """ /Sounds like QoS to me. I don't see a problem at all with giving downloads a lower priority on the network than voice, streaming videos, and gaming. They should have been doing this years ago when QoS prioritization became common on most LANs and WANs. Do you really want your VoIP applications to stutter just so that your neighbor can download the latest episode of Lost from thepiratebay 20 seconds faster? Will Hill wrote: > http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/28/2153242 > > Because of the way YouTube stutters I thought they were already doing this. > They have also already been caught "managing" p2p and admit to blocking > ports, upload speed caps and other unpleasant breakage. Didn't they learn > from Comcast? > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewmb at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 10:20:58 2009 From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:20:58 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <49812368.2030002@tfour.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <49812368.2030002@tfour.net> Message-ID: <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> Yes, he does. :casty: On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Tim Fournet wrote: > >From the Description: > """ > * During the occasional times the network is congested, this new > technology automatically ensures that all time-sensitive Internet traffic ? > such as web pages, voice calls, streaming videos and gaming ? moves without > delay. Less time-sensitive traffic, such as file uploads, peer-to-peer and > Usenet newsgroups, may be delayed momentarily...' Sounds like throttling to > me." > """ > *Sounds like QoS to me. I don't see a problem at all with giving downloads > a lower priority on the network than voice, streaming videos, and gaming. > They should have been doing this years ago when QoS prioritization became > common on most LANs and WANs. > > Do you really want your VoIP applications to stutter just so that your > neighbor can download the latest episode of Lost from thepiratebay 20 > seconds faster? > > > Will Hill wrote: > > http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/28/2153242 > > Because of the way YouTube stutters I thought they were already doing this. > They have also already been caught "managing" p2p and admit to blocking > ports, upload speed caps and other unpleasant breakage. Didn't they learn > from Comcast? > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing listGeneral at brlug.nethttp://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dustin at puryear-it.com Thu Jan 29 10:43:30 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:43:30 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <49812368.2030002@tfour.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> I think both of you have a valid point here. I am okay with Cox employing QoS if they publish the rules they use. If they use some hidden magic formula then, yeah, this is certainly ripe for abuse. Andrew Baudouin wrote: > Yes, he does. > > > :casty: > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Tim Fournet > wrote: > > >From the Description: > """ > / During the occasional times the network is congested, this new > technology automatically ensures that all time-sensitive Internet > traffic ? such as web pages, voice calls, streaming videos and > gaming ? moves without delay. Less time-sensitive traffic, such as > file uploads, peer-to-peer and Usenet newsgroups, may be delayed > momentarily...' Sounds like throttling to me." > """ > /Sounds like QoS to me. I don't see a problem at all with giving > downloads a lower priority on the network than voice, streaming > videos, and gaming. They should have been doing this years ago when > QoS prioritization became common on most LANs and WANs. > > Do you really want your VoIP applications to stutter just so that > your neighbor can download the latest episode of Lost from > thepiratebay 20 seconds faster? > > > Will Hill wrote: >> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/28/2153242 >> >> Because of the way YouTube stutters I thought they were already doing this. >> They have also already been caught "managing" p2p and admit to blocking >> ports, upload speed caps and other unpleasant breakage. Didn't they learn >> from Comcast? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. < > http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From williamhill2 at cox.net Thu Jan 29 11:40:17 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:40:17 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to allocate bandwith for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every dollar spent on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also expect Cox to do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese network quality and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his movie. What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > I think both of you have a valid point here. From andrewmb at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 12:16:42 2009 From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:16:42 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <3fc325330901291016t2178da56u559eff0769e7ce06@mail.gmail.com> The downloading of movies and music is not a time and latency sensitive application like gaming and VOIP is. Enter QOS. This pragmatic approach makes sense, but only if QOS is fairly applied...e.g I hope COX also prioritizes their video on demand lower than gaming and VOIP... :) But, it's a hard nut to crack. Who keeps track of what ports games are running on nowadays? And won't malware start using those ports for their communication? Is deep packet inspection feasible in a low-latency environment? On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Will Hill wrote: > Shame on you for insults and false choices. What is a false choice? I expect Cox to allocate bandwith > for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Infrastructure costs a bunch of money. You and I are probably paying 600 dollars a year (41.95 for 12mb down, 1mb up) for internet service which costs tens of thousands a year for businesses to have the same level of bandwidth. Besides, even if endless fat pipes were thrown at the problem, endless greedy lusers would suck all that up on downloading 'Finding Nemo'... and gasp... UBUNTU ISOs. QOS ensures those with latency sensitive applications get their small data packets to arrive first. > I also expect Cox to > do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. Absolutely no argument here. But what to look for? > I want Japanese network quality > and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his > movie. You also get the same socialistic system of the JIAA (sic) telling people what they can and can't download. There's no magik solution, Will. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/15/japanese-isps-to-ban-file-sharers/ > > What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of > problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend > Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. > So, to ensure that I'm reading this right, I'm less of a person because I use Windows? > > > On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > > I think both of you have a valid point here. > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bendily at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 12:30:41 2009 From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:30:41 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: Part of the problem is that it's not all up to Cox. Apparently all ISPs are sticking it to the unknowing public and there isn't much we can do about it. This was posted on slashdot a few days ago. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html Titled: The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our Broadband future was stolen. "There are no good guys in this story. Misguided and incompetent regulation combined with utilities that found ways to game the system resulted in what had been the best communication system in the world becoming just so-so, though very profitable. We as consumers were consistently sold ideas that were impractical only to have those be replaced later by less-ambitious technologies that, in turn, were still under-delivered. Congress set mandates then provided little or no oversight. The FCC was (and probably still is) managed for the benefit of the companies and their lobbyists, not for you and me. And the upshot is that I could move to Japan and pay $14 per month for 100-megabit-per-second Internet service but I can't do that here and will probably never be able to." On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Will Hill wrote: > Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to allocate > bandwith > for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every dollar > spent > on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also expect Cox > to > do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese network > quality > and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his > movie. > What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of > problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend > Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. > > > On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > > I think both of you have a valid point here. > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -- Have Mercy & Say Yeah -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonlancekulp at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 12:41:02 2009 From: jonlancekulp at gmail.com (Jonathan Kulp) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:02 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <4981F83E.2090408@gmail.com> This whole thing makes me glad that a taxpayer-funded fiber network is being installed over here in Lafayette. The guys were in front of my house this morning putting the cable in. :) I'll be getting 10MB up and down for about $28, which is less than I currently pay Cox for 1.6 MB down and 256K up. :| The fiber will also provide TV and phone packages that are dramatically cheaper and better than what Cox and BellSouth offer. :D Jon Brad Bendily wrote: > Part of the problem is that it's not all up to Cox. Apparently all ISPs are > sticking it to the > unknowing public and there isn't much we can do about it. > > This was posted on slashdot a few days ago. > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html > Titled: > The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our Broadband future was stolen. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Will Hill wrote: > >> Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to allocate >> bandwith >> for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every dollar >> spent >> on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also expect Cox >> to >> do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese network >> quality >> and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his >> movie. >> What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of >> problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend >> Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. >> >> >> On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: >>> I think both of you have a valid point here. >> >> -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com From dustin at puryear-it.com Thu Jan 29 12:52:48 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:52:48 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <4981FB00.5080101@puryear-it.com> I'm not sure how saying you two both had valid points was an insult, but okay. Anyway, like I said, I'm okay with it so long as there is some transparency in what they're doing. I understand there may be a compromise between full access to me as a single customer and the business reality. You of course are free to believe differently. :) Will Hill wrote: > Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to allocate bandwith > for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every dollar spent > on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also expect Cox to > do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese network quality > and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his movie. > What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of > problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend > Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. > > > On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: >> I think both of you have a valid point here. > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > > -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From tfournet at tfour.net Thu Jan 29 13:15:47 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:15:47 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <49820063.3060604@tfour.net> Wait, so you're wanting your internet provider to NOT differentiate between VoIP and P2P mass download traffic, but you want the provider TO determine if traffic is generated by a botnet, and discriminate accordingly? Will Hill wrote: > Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to allocate bandwith > for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every dollar spent > on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also expect Cox to > do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese network quality > and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his movie. > What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of > problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend > Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. > > > On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > >> I think both of you have a valid point here. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From james at kuhns-la.com Thu Jan 29 13:13:53 2009 From: james at kuhns-la.com (James Kuhns) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:13:53 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <4981F83E.2090408@gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> <4981F83E.2090408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003001c98245$b9bceb10$2d36c130$@com> Yeah, I know what you mean. We had crews stringing the fiber on the poles in our neighborhood about two weeks ago. I also noticed some trucks last week in the area between Broadmoor and Camellia, looked like they were putting up enclosures on the poles. You forgot to mention the 100MB between LUS users, the price tiers only dictate bandwidth when you leave LUS's network - big plus, if like me you and your co-workers work from home. Patiently waiting for them to start putting in drops. James -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Kulp Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:41 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. This whole thing makes me glad that a taxpayer-funded fiber network is being installed over here in Lafayette. The guys were in front of my house this morning putting the cable in. :) I'll be getting 10MB up and down for about $28, which is less than I currently pay Cox for 1.6 MB down and 256K up. :| The fiber will also provide TV and phone packages that are dramatically cheaper and better than what Cox and BellSouth offer. :D Jon Brad Bendily wrote: > Part of the problem is that it's not all up to Cox. Apparently all ISPs are > sticking it to the > unknowing public and there isn't much we can do about it. > > This was posted on slashdot a few days ago. > http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html > Titled: > The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our Broadband future was stolen. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Will Hill wrote: > >> Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to allocate >> bandwith >> for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every dollar >> spent >> on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also expect Cox >> to >> do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese network >> quality >> and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his >> movie. >> What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of >> problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend >> Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. >> >> >> On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: >>> I think both of you have a valid point here. >> >> -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009 7:13 AM From williamhill2 at cox.net Thu Jan 29 13:27:48 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:27:48 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <4981FB00.5080101@puryear-it.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> <4981FB00.5080101@puryear-it.com> Message-ID: <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> You should be careful when you agree with Andrew Baudouin. He was baiting me again. I was not too happy either with the way Tim trivialized the issue and presented a false choice but that's what people who want filters say and many of them believe they are right. I've quoted the relevant chunks below so you can understand what I read. I hope the day comes soon when people are allowed to share TV shows with each other and it's not a bandwith problem, but more important things are at stake. I wrote a little something about TV recording the other day that I forgot to share here: "One day, when the airwaves are free and people are simply allowed to share, all of this will look like the backward mess that it is. As Napster and other sharing services have shown, when you let people share the result is a distributed library that no institution can hope to match. Video, text books, scientific journals and all human knowledge and art should be so easy to access. Those who stand in the way of this easily achieved universal library are criminals." http://72.203.149.158:1024/photo_album/chron/2009/2009_01_13-video_recording_again/ Society is a long way from that goal. People who share their music and movie collections are hunted down and stripped of everything they own. I have not read any cases of people being prosecuted for making a library of scientific journal articles, but would not put it past the people pushing rotten laws like this: http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000030&ct=1&SESSID=f246fced5098a13180e242e58f10e1db That's enough soap boxing for me today. I'd appreciate technical feedback about TV recording. It's been a year since we talked about it. I should probably get a better video card but I'm pleased with what I've collected so far. There's been a lot of progress in the free video recording world in terms of quality and ease of use. On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > I'm not sure how saying you two both had valid points was an insult On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > I think both of you have a valid point here. > ... > Andrew Baudouin wrote: > > Yes, he does. > > ... > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Tim Fournet > > wrote: > > ... > > Do you really want your VoIP applications to stutter just so that > > your neighbor can download the latest episode of Lost from > > thepiratebay 20 seconds faster? From tfournet at tfour.net Thu Jan 29 13:29:12 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:29:12 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <003001c98245$b9bceb10$2d36c130$@com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> <4981F83E.2090408@gmail.com> <003001c98245$b9bceb10$2d36c130$@com> Message-ID: <49820388.2030905@tfour.net> Yeah, I've had the fiber behind my house for about a year now, still no access though... We have had it at work now for nearly 3 years, and it's been great (10 megabit). About two weeks ago they were down for about 2 hours, but that was caused by AT&T... James Kuhns wrote: > Yeah, I know what you mean. We had crews stringing the fiber on the poles > in our neighborhood about two weeks ago. I also noticed some trucks last > week in the area between Broadmoor and Camellia, looked like they were > putting up enclosures on the poles. > > You forgot to mention the 100MB between LUS users, the price tiers only > dictate bandwidth when you leave LUS's network - big plus, if like me you > and your co-workers work from home. > > Patiently waiting for them to start putting in drops. > > > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf > Of Jonathan Kulp > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:41 PM > To: general at brlug.net > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. > > This whole thing makes me glad that a taxpayer-funded fiber network is > being installed over here in Lafayette. The guys were in front of my > house this morning putting the cable in. :) I'll be getting 10MB up and > down for about $28, which is less than I currently pay Cox for 1.6 MB > down and 256K up. :| The fiber will also provide TV and phone packages > that are dramatically cheaper and better than what Cox and BellSouth > offer. :D > > Jon > > Brad Bendily wrote: > >> Part of the problem is that it's not all up to Cox. Apparently all ISPs >> > are > >> sticking it to the >> unknowing public and there isn't much we can do about it. >> >> This was posted on slashdot a few days ago. >> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html >> Titled: >> The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our Broadband future was stolen. >> >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Will Hill wrote: >> >> >>> Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to allocate >>> bandwith >>> for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every dollar >>> spent >>> on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also expect >>> > Cox > >>> to >>> do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese network >>> quality >>> and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his >>> movie. >>> What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of >>> problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend >>> Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. >>> >>> >>> On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: >>> >>>> I think both of you have a valid point here. >>>> >>> > > > From dustin at puryear-it.com Thu Jan 29 13:32:01 2009 From: dustin at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:32:01 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <49820388.2030905@tfour.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> <4981F83E.2090408@gmail.com> <003001c98245$b9bceb10$2d36c130$@com> <49820388.2030905@tfour.net> Message-ID: <49820431.4030408@puryear-it.com> Just go back there, dig a little hole by the cable, grab you a little vampire plug, and.. ;) Tim Fournet wrote: > Yeah, I've had the fiber behind my house for about a year now, still no > access though... We have had it at work now for nearly 3 years, and it's > been great (10 megabit). About two weeks ago they were down for about 2 > hours, but that was caused by AT&T... > > > > James Kuhns wrote: >> Yeah, I know what you mean. We had crews stringing the fiber on the poles >> in our neighborhood about two weeks ago. I also noticed some trucks last >> week in the area between Broadmoor and Camellia, looked like they were >> putting up enclosures on the poles. >> >> You forgot to mention the 100MB between LUS users, the price tiers only >> dictate bandwidth when you leave LUS's network - big plus, if like me you >> and your co-workers work from home. >> >> Patiently waiting for them to start putting in drops. >> >> >> James >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf >> Of Jonathan Kulp >> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:41 PM >> To: general at brlug.net >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. >> >> This whole thing makes me glad that a taxpayer-funded fiber network is >> being installed over here in Lafayette. The guys were in front of my >> house this morning putting the cable in. :) I'll be getting 10MB up and >> down for about $28, which is less than I currently pay Cox for 1.6 MB >> down and 256K up. :| The fiber will also provide TV and phone packages >> that are dramatically cheaper and better than what Cox and BellSouth >> offer. :D >> >> Jon >> >> Brad Bendily wrote: >> >>> Part of the problem is that it's not all up to Cox. Apparently all ISPs >>> >> are >> >>> sticking it to the >>> unknowing public and there isn't much we can do about it. >>> >>> This was posted on slashdot a few days ago. >>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html >>> Titled: >>> The $200 Billion Rip-Off: Our Broadband future was stolen. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Will Hill wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to allocate >>>> bandwith >>>> for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every dollar >>>> spent >>>> on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also expect >>>> >> Cox >> >>>> to >>>> do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese network >>>> quality >>>> and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets his >>>> movie. >>>> What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of >>>> problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and recommend >>>> Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think both of you have a valid point here. >>>>> >>>> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > -- > This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. > Click here to report this message as spam. > http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= > > -- Dustin Puryear President and Sr. Consultant Puryear Information Technology, LLC 225-706-8414 x112 http://www.puryear-it.com Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers" http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/ From williamhill2 at cox.net Thu Jan 29 13:34:08 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:34:08 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <49820063.3060604@tfour.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> <49820063.3060604@tfour.net> Message-ID: <200901291334.08649.williamhill2@cox.net> Sure. Outfits with a lot fewer resources than Cox run honey nets and know what machines are part of botnets. Giving Cox the power to cut people off for that is dangerous, but it would be less expensive, more transparent and more effective than deep packet inspection and filtering. On Thursday 29 January 2009, Tim Fournet wrote: > Wait, so you're wanting your internet provider to NOT differentiate > between VoIP and P2P mass download traffic, but you want the provider TO > determine if traffic is generated by a botnet, and discriminate > accordingly? From karthik at poobal.net Thu Jan 29 14:04:39 2009 From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobal) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:04:39 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <49820063.3060604@tfour.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901290820u54e59425xc8dd80c56c712d91@mail.gmail.com> <4981DCB2.7090601@puryear-it.com> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> <49820063.3060604@tfour.net> Message-ID: Yes. In the wise words of Eric Theodore Cartman its "having one's cake and eating it too". -- Karthik Poobalasubramanian Louisiana Board of Regents karthik at poobal.net karthik at la.gov 225-910-6126 On Jan 29, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Tim Fournet wrote: > Wait, so you're wanting your internet provider to NOT differentiate > between VoIP and P2P mass download traffic, but you want the > provider TO > determine if traffic is generated by a botnet, and discriminate > accordingly? > > > > > Will Hill wrote: >> Shame on you for insults and false choices. I expect Cox to >> allocate bandwith >> for the job, not invest in filters that degrade service. Every >> dollar spent >> on racks of filters is an infrastructure dollar wasted. I also >> expect Cox to >> do their part in shutting down W32 botnets. I want Japanese >> network quality >> and pricing. That way, I get my video phone and my neighbor gets >> his movie. >> What I'm getting instead looks more like dial up every day because of >> problems inflicted by M$ and the MAFIAA. People who use and >> recommend >> Windows don't have a right to complain about bandwith. >> >> >> On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: >> >>> I think both of you have a valid point here. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <200901291433.16872.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901291433.16872.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Will Hill wrote: > Saw this and remembered the company being mentioned here years back. > > http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D960DDN80.htm As a Charter customer, excuse me while I go get a tissue to mourn this loss. ray -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ray DeJean http://www.r-a-y.org Systems Engineer Southeastern Louisiana University IBM Certified Specialist AIX Administration, AIX Support =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From sroddy at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 15:49:14 2009 From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:49:14 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] The demise of Charter? In-Reply-To: References: <200901291433.16872.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0901291349k218c9b82kd16104e13025db72@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM, -ray wrote: > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Will Hill wrote: > > > Saw this and remembered the company being mentioned here years back. > > > > http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D960DDN80.htm > > As a Charter customer, excuse me while I go get a tissue to mourn this > loss. >From what I can tell, they may not "go away", just bankrupt. At least... I hope they stay around as a provider. Especially since we have a business pipe with BGP peering through them. They were the only game in town.... -Shannon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrewmb at gmail.com Thu Jan 29 18:56:32 2009 From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:56:32 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291140.17963.williamhill2@cox.net> <4981FB00.5080101@puryear-it.com> <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> Not to throw any more gasoline on the fire with this, but you posted "People who use and recommend Microsoft don't deserve to complain about bandwidth". Will, you just seem to have much different thought processes than most other people. I frequently fail to understand them, because they seem immature (e.g. I want unlimited bandwidth to download whatever I want including copyrighted material, 0 ms latency for my apps, and I also want Cox to give that to me for $10 a month while removing all botnets from their network, All information should be free, because I say so, Windows users are inferior as human beings, etc) I would like to gently remind you that you are currently violating Cox's TOS (line item 6) by hosting a web server on port 1024. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Will Hill wrote: > You should be careful when you agree with Andrew Baudouin. He was baiting > me > again. I was not too happy either with the way Tim trivialized the issue > and > presented a false choice but that's what people who want filters say and > many > of them believe they are right. I've quoted the relevant chunks below so > you > can understand what I read. > > I hope the day comes soon when people are allowed to share TV shows with > each > other and it's not a bandwith problem, but more important things are at > stake. I wrote a little something about TV recording the other day that I > forgot to share here: > > "One day, when the airwaves are free and people are simply allowed to > share, > all of this will look like the backward mess that it is. As Napster and > other > sharing services have shown, when you let people share the result is a > distributed library that no institution can hope to match. Video, text > books, > scientific journals and all human knowledge and art should be so easy to > access. Those who stand in the way of this easily achieved universal > library > are criminals." > > > http://72.203.149.158:1024/photo_album/chron/2009/2009_01_13-video_recording_again/ > > Society is a long way from that goal. People who share their music and > movie > collections are hunted down and stripped of everything they own. I have not > read any cases of people being prosecuted for making a library of > scientific > journal articles, but would not put it past the people pushing rotten laws > like this: > > > http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000030&ct=1&SESSID=f246fced5098a13180e242e58f10e1db > > That's enough soap boxing for me today. I'd appreciate technical feedback > about TV recording. It's been a year since we talked about it. I should > probably get a better video card but I'm pleased with what I've collected > so > far. There's been a lot of progress in the free video recording world in > terms of quality and ease of use. > > On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > > I'm not sure how saying you two both had valid points was an insult > > On Thursday 29 January 2009, Dustin Puryear wrote: > > I think both of you have a valid point here. > > ... > > Andrew Baudouin wrote: > > > Yes, he does. > > > ... > > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Tim Fournet > > > wrote: > > > ... > > > Do you really want your VoIP applications to stutter just so that > > > your neighbor can download the latest episode of Lost from > > > thepiratebay 20 seconds faster? > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fvilas at iname.com Thu Jan 29 20:26:08 2009 From: fvilas at iname.com (Fernando Vilas) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:26:08 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] The demise of Charter? In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba0901291349k218c9b82kd16104e13025db72@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901291433.16872.williamhill2@cox.net> <8d48b6ba0901291349k218c9b82kd16104e13025db72@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901292026.13445.fvilas@iname.com> On Thursday 29 January 2009 15:49:14 Shannon Roddy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM, -ray wrote: > > On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Will Hill wrote: > > > Saw this and remembered the company being mentioned here years back. > > > > > > http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D960DDN80.htm > > > > As a Charter customer, excuse me while I go get a tissue to mourn this > > loss. > > > From what I can tell, they may not "go away", just bankrupt. At least... > I hope they stay around as a provider. Especially since we have a > business pipe with BGP peering through them. They were the only game > in town.... > They still are the only game in town at my house. My neighbors across the street can get ATT Uverse, but for me, it's Charter or dialup. Time-Warner is pushing hard in our area, so hopefully if Charter goes, someone will pick up the service. I can't say that I'll miss their customer service or pricing schedule, though. -- Thanks, Fernando Vilas fvilas at iname.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From tfournet at tfour.net Thu Jan 29 21:06:35 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:06:35 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] The demise of Charter? In-Reply-To: <200901292026.13445.fvilas@iname.com> References: <200901291433.16872.williamhill2@cox.net> <8d48b6ba0901291349k218c9b82kd16104e13025db72@mail.gmail.com> <200901292026.13445.fvilas@iname.com> Message-ID: <49826EBB.9070407@tfour.net> Cox or Time Warner or Comcast will pick up the market. More of the same.. Fernando Vilas wrote: > On Thursday 29 January 2009 15:49:14 Shannon Roddy wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:18 PM, -ray wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Will Hill wrote: >>> >>>> Saw this and remembered the company being mentioned here years back. >>>> >>>> http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D960DDN80.htm >>>> >>> As a Charter customer, excuse me while I go get a tissue to mourn this >>> loss. >>> >>> >> From what I can tell, they may not "go away", just bankrupt. At least... >> I hope they stay around as a provider. Especially since we have a >> business pipe with BGP peering through them. They were the only game >> in town.... >> >> > > They still are the only game in town at my house. My neighbors across the > street can get ATT Uverse, but for me, it's Charter or dialup. Time-Warner is > pushing hard in our area, so hopefully if Charter goes, someone will pick up > the service. > > I can't say that I'll miss their customer service or pricing schedule, though. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From williamhill2 at cox.net Thu Jan 29 22:40:04 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:40:04 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> What you say is more depressing than it is "gasoline." You are confused about the purpose of copyright and basic networking facts. I hope that "most other people" do not have the same kinds of missconceptions you do but I hesitate to project one way or another. Windows is a menace to networks everywhere. W32 botnets are responsible for the vast majority of the world's spam and are used to launch all sorts of other malice. This is because Windows has both systematic and accidental flaws and each machine is essentially identical. M$ and many third parties have been working forever to "patch" these problems and Bill Gates promissed everyone that Spam would be a thing of the past by now. The cure has often been worse than the dissease, to strip people of network freedom as if the problem were users or the internet not Windows. This has greatly reduced the utility of networks for everyone directly and indirectly. People who use and recommend Windows are usually ignorant or deny this because it suits them somehow. US Copyright is a created right that violates people's natural right to free press. Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 gives congress the power to do this, but only if it furthers the public knowledge and the state of the arts. The founding fathers of this country despised exclusive franchises as tools of tyranny and control and copyrights were originally limited and sensible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause Many aspects of modern copyright law betray the public. Attacks on network freedom for the benefit of a few big publishers harms society in more important ways than a missed sitcom. One of the first to object to Comcast's throttling was a group that used P2P to distribute bible translations. Scientific research is greatly hampered by people's inability to create digital libraries, and I can assure you that scientists all seek the widest possible audience for their publications without the kinds of rewards that MAFIAA pretend to offer people. Laws that keep people from sharing their own material with each other are UnAmerican and laws that prevent private, non commercial copy are universally offensive and immoral. Companies and business models which can't survive in freedom deserve to fail, we will all be better off without them. Finally, you seem blissfully unaware of the shameful place US networks hold in the world. The US is the most powerful country in the world but more than 20 other countries do better than we do and places like Japan do dramatically better. Instead of investing in a network that could provide everyone with universal access to human knowledge, we have spent out time and money on wiretaps that would make Erich Honecker blush, fighting P2P, which is one of the most efficient ways to distribute popular content, and writing stupid laws like this: http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000030&ct=1&SESSID=f246fced5098a13180e242e58f10e1db Several people have pointed to Lafayette as an example of how things can be, but it will take a lot more than fiber to make networks serve the public instead of a few vested interests. People like you need to be taught to demand what's right for you or science, the state of the arts, freedom of press and your privacy will be lost to the next version of cable TV. Please help yourself to my pictures, classnotes code and other projects that I offer. Cox has yet to complain about my bandwith use because most people are not that interested in my stuff. They also seem to tolerate other "servers" such as IM and P2P clients which are far more popular and consume almost as much bandwith as the W32 botnet spam flood. On Thursday 29 January 2009, Andrew Baudouin wrote: > Not to throw any more gasoline on the fire with this, but you posted > "People who use and recommend Microsoft don't deserve to complain about > bandwidth". > > Will, you just seem to have much different thought processes than most > other people. ?I frequently fail to understand them, because they seem > immature (e.g. I want unlimited bandwidth to download whatever I want > including copyrighted material, 0 ms latency for my apps, and I also want > Cox to give that to me for $10 a month while removing all botnets from > their network, All information should be free, because I say so, Windows > users are inferior as human beings, etc) > > I would like to gently remind you that you are currently violating Cox's > TOS (line item 6) by hosting a web server on port 1024. From worm402 at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 14:28:35 2009 From: worm402 at gmail.com (worms) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:28:35 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> Japan is able to reach such high levels of broadband saturation because of the extremely small land mass and high population density. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Will Hill wrote: > What you say is more depressing than it is "gasoline." You are confused about > the purpose of copyright and basic networking facts. I hope that "most other > people" do not have the same kinds of missconceptions you do but I hesitate > to project one way or another. > > Windows is a menace to networks everywhere. W32 botnets are responsible for > the vast majority of the world's spam and are used to launch all sorts of > other malice. This is because Windows has both systematic and accidental > flaws and each machine is essentially identical. M$ and many third parties > have been working forever to "patch" these problems and Bill Gates promissed > everyone that Spam would be a thing of the past by now. The cure has often > been worse than the dissease, to strip people of network freedom as if the > problem were users or the internet not Windows. This has greatly reduced the > utility of networks for everyone directly and indirectly. People who use > and recommend Windows are usually ignorant or deny this because it suits them > somehow. > > US Copyright is a created right that violates people's natural right to free > press. Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 gives congress the power to do this, > but only if it furthers the public knowledge and the state of the arts. The > founding fathers of this country despised exclusive franchises as tools of > tyranny and control and copyrights were originally limited and sensible. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause > > Many aspects of modern copyright law betray the public. Attacks on network > freedom for the benefit of a few big publishers harms society in more > important ways than a missed sitcom. One of the first to object to > Comcast's throttling was a group that used P2P to distribute bible > translations. Scientific research is greatly hampered by people's inability > to create digital libraries, and I can assure you that scientists all seek > the widest possible audience for their publications without the kinds of > rewards that MAFIAA pretend to offer people. Laws that keep people from > sharing their own material with each other are UnAmerican and laws that > prevent private, non commercial copy are universally offensive and immoral. > Companies and business models which can't survive in freedom deserve to fail, > we will all be better off without them. > > Finally, you seem blissfully unaware of the shameful place US networks hold in > the world. The US is the most powerful country in the world but more than 20 > other countries do better than we do and places like Japan do dramatically > better. Instead of investing in a network that could provide everyone with > universal access to human knowledge, we have spent out time and money on > wiretaps that would make Erich Honecker blush, fighting P2P, which is one of > the most efficient ways to distribute popular content, and writing stupid > laws like this: > > http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000030&ct=1&SESSID=f246fced5098a13180e242e58f10e1db > > Several people have pointed to Lafayette as an example of how things can be, > but it will take a lot more than fiber to make networks serve the public > instead of a few vested interests. People like you need to be taught to > demand what's right for you or science, the state of the arts, freedom of > press and your privacy will be lost to the next version of cable TV. > > Please help yourself to my pictures, classnotes code and other projects that I > offer. Cox has yet to complain about my bandwith use because most people are > not that interested in my stuff. They also seem to tolerate other "servers" > such as IM and P2P clients which are far more popular and consume almost as > much bandwith as the W32 botnet spam flood. > > On Thursday 29 January 2009, Andrew Baudouin wrote: >> Not to throw any more gasoline on the fire with this, but you posted >> "People who use and recommend Microsoft don't deserve to complain about >> bandwidth". >> >> Will, you just seem to have much different thought processes than most >> other people. I frequently fail to understand them, because they seem >> immature (e.g. I want unlimited bandwidth to download whatever I want >> including copyrighted material, 0 ms latency for my apps, and I also want >> Cox to give that to me for $10 a month while removing all botnets from >> their network, All information should be free, because I say so, Windows >> users are inferior as human beings, etc) >> >> I would like to gently remind you that you are currently violating Cox's >> TOS (line item 6) by hosting a web server on port 1024. > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From pietu at weblizards.net Fri Jan 30 14:59:37 2009 From: pietu at weblizards.net (Petri Laihonen) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:59:37 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49836A39.3040909@weblizards.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tfournet at tfour.net Fri Jan 30 15:02:10 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:02:10 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49836AD2.2020405@tfour.net> Thanks for mentioning that, it's an important point. Also, most of their infrastructure is less than 64 years old, which kind of makes a difference too worms wrote: > Japan is able to reach such high levels of broadband saturation > because of the extremely small land mass and high population density. > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Will Hill wrote: > >> What you say is more depressing than it is "gasoline." You are confused about >> the purpose of copyright and basic networking facts. I hope that "most other >> people" do not have the same kinds of missconceptions you do but I hesitate >> to project one way or another. >> >> Windows is a menace to networks everywhere. W32 botnets are responsible for >> the vast majority of the world's spam and are used to launch all sorts of >> other malice. This is because Windows has both systematic and accidental >> flaws and each machine is essentially identical. M$ and many third parties >> have been working forever to "patch" these problems and Bill Gates promissed >> everyone that Spam would be a thing of the past by now. The cure has often >> been worse than the dissease, to strip people of network freedom as if the >> problem were users or the internet not Windows. This has greatly reduced the >> utility of networks for everyone directly and indirectly. People who use >> and recommend Windows are usually ignorant or deny this because it suits them >> somehow. >> >> US Copyright is a created right that violates people's natural right to free >> press. Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 gives congress the power to do this, >> but only if it furthers the public knowledge and the state of the arts. The >> founding fathers of this country despised exclusive franchises as tools of >> tyranny and control and copyrights were originally limited and sensible. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause >> >> Many aspects of modern copyright law betray the public. Attacks on network >> freedom for the benefit of a few big publishers harms society in more >> important ways than a missed sitcom. One of the first to object to >> Comcast's throttling was a group that used P2P to distribute bible >> translations. Scientific research is greatly hampered by people's inability >> to create digital libraries, and I can assure you that scientists all seek >> the widest possible audience for their publications without the kinds of >> rewards that MAFIAA pretend to offer people. Laws that keep people from >> sharing their own material with each other are UnAmerican and laws that >> prevent private, non commercial copy are universally offensive and immoral. >> Companies and business models which can't survive in freedom deserve to fail, >> we will all be better off without them. >> >> Finally, you seem blissfully unaware of the shameful place US networks hold in >> the world. The US is the most powerful country in the world but more than 20 >> other countries do better than we do and places like Japan do dramatically >> better. Instead of investing in a network that could provide everyone with >> universal access to human knowledge, we have spent out time and money on >> wiretaps that would make Erich Honecker blush, fighting P2P, which is one of >> the most efficient ways to distribute popular content, and writing stupid >> laws like this: >> >> http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000030&ct=1&SESSID=f246fced5098a13180e242e58f10e1db >> >> Several people have pointed to Lafayette as an example of how things can be, >> but it will take a lot more than fiber to make networks serve the public >> instead of a few vested interests. People like you need to be taught to >> demand what's right for you or science, the state of the arts, freedom of >> press and your privacy will be lost to the next version of cable TV. >> >> Please help yourself to my pictures, classnotes code and other projects that I >> offer. Cox has yet to complain about my bandwith use because most people are >> not that interested in my stuff. They also seem to tolerate other "servers" >> such as IM and P2P clients which are far more popular and consume almost as >> much bandwith as the W32 botnet spam flood. >> >> On Thursday 29 January 2009, Andrew Baudouin wrote: >> >>> Not to throw any more gasoline on the fire with this, but you posted >>> "People who use and recommend Microsoft don't deserve to complain about >>> bandwidth". >>> >>> Will, you just seem to have much different thought processes than most >>> other people. I frequently fail to understand them, because they seem >>> immature (e.g. I want unlimited bandwidth to download whatever I want >>> including copyrighted material, 0 ms latency for my apps, and I also want >>> Cox to give that to me for $10 a month while removing all botnets from >>> their network, All information should be free, because I say so, Windows >>> users are inferior as human beings, etc) >>> >>> I would like to gently remind you that you are currently violating Cox's >>> TOS (line item 6) by hosting a web server on port 1024. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From sroddy at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 15:03:33 2009 From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:03:33 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0901301303x7ba599fex5387bc0ff39b7874@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:28 PM, worms wrote: > Japan is able to reach such high levels of broadband saturation > because of the extremely small land mass and high population density. > > Yeah. That's one of the things everyone always forgets about. However, I would counter that with the population density in certain cities, there is no reason why we do not have comparable BW at least in some areas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From williamhill2 at cox.net Fri Jan 30 15:04:57 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:04:57 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901301504.57967.williamhill2@cox.net> I used to think that too and population density might help Japan. What I've read, however, is that the US problem is always the last mile. Japanese cities can be dense, but they are not orders of magnitude denser than the US and comparable US cities like New York are also underperforming. Population density also can't explain the other 20 or so countries, like Sweden, that do better than the US. All they really have in common is that they spent their money better. On Friday 30 January 2009, worms wrote: > Japan is able to reach such high levels of broadband saturation > because of the extremely small land mass and high population density. From sroddy at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 18:19:01 2009 From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:19:01 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901301504.57967.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <2e277b740901301228m61513910g4625a0c0a5191284@mail.gmail.com> <200901301504.57967.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0901301619x68ba9a68nf75676d853fbf3f9@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Will Hill wrote: > but they are not orders of magnitude denser than the US Back of the envelope shows an order of magnitude difference. Even being generous and assuming that people only live in the non-arable land areas, it's still an order of magnitude. In fact, my back of the envelope comes pretty darned close this table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density Tokyo has a population density of 4,750/sq km. Los Angeles: 2750 San Francisco/Oakland: 2350 San jose: 2,300 New Orleans: 1950 New York: 2050 Honolulu: 1800 Vegas: 1750 Denver: 1550 Chicago: 1500 Salt Lake: 1500 Sacramento: 1450 Phoenix: 1400 Riverside: 1350 Portland: 1300 Washington: 1300 San Antonio: 1250 Detroit: 1200 El Paso: 1200 Baltimore: 1150 Dallas: 1150 Houston: 1150 Austin: 1150 Seattle: 1100 Philly: 1100 Cleveland: 1050 Memphis: 950 Boston: 900 OKC: 900 Pittsburgh: 800 Albany: 750 Atlanta: 700 Baton Rouge: 650 Mobile: 600 Pensacola: 550 Knoxville: 500 Our largest cities are generally less than half as dense as Tokyo with the exception of maybe Los Angeles and Frisco area. 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On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Shannon Roddy wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Will Hill wrote: >> >> but they are not orders of magnitude denser than the US > > Back of the envelope shows an order of magnitude difference. Even being > generous and assuming that people only live in the non-arable land areas, > it's still an order of magnitude. > > > In fact, my back of the envelope comes pretty darned close this table: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density > > > Tokyo has a population density of 4,750/sq km. > > > Los Angeles: 2750 > San Francisco/Oakland: 2350 > San jose: 2,300 > New Orleans: 1950 > New York: 2050 > Honolulu: 1800 > Vegas: 1750 > Denver: 1550 > Chicago: 1500 > Salt Lake: 1500 > Sacramento: 1450 > Phoenix: 1400 > Riverside: 1350 > Portland: 1300 > Washington: 1300 > San Antonio: 1250 > Detroit: 1200 > El Paso: 1200 > Baltimore: 1150 > Dallas: 1150 > Houston: 1150 > Austin: 1150 > Seattle: 1100 > Philly: 1100 > Cleveland: 1050 > Memphis: 950 > Boston: 900 > OKC: 900 > Pittsburgh: 800 > Albany: 750 > Atlanta: 700 > Baton Rouge: 650 > Mobile: 600 > Pensacola: 550 > Knoxville: 500 > > > Our largest cities are generally less than half as dense as Tokyo with the > exception of maybe Los Angeles and Frisco area. Then you have to worry > about serving all the burbs, bedroom communities, and rural areas too. > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > From andrewmb at gmail.com Fri Jan 30 20:33:45 2009 From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:33:45 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> Message-ID: <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> Will, the crux of your argument is that all information ought to be free. I reject that assertion. All of the rest of this argument has been hashed out already. > Windows is a menace to networks everywhere. W32 botnets are responsible > for > the vast majority of the world's spam and are used to launch all sorts of > other malice. This is because Windows has both systematic and accidental > flaws and each machine is essentially identical. M$ and many third parties > have been working forever to "patch" these problems and Bill Gates > promissed > everyone that Spam would be a thing of the past by now. The cure has often > been worse than the dissease, to strip people of network freedom as if the > problem were users or the internet not Windows. This has greatly reduced > the > utility of networks for everyone directly and indirectly. People who use > and recommend Windows are usually ignorant or deny this because it suits > them > somehow. > I use and recommend Windows because I am able to quickly develop productivity software with features that are impossible to develop on Linux in a similar amount of time. While spam has not been eliminated, I use mail accounts which for all intents and purposes do a near 100% job at preventing it from reaching my inbox. So its annoyance is of little effect to me. I use and recommend Linux for people who can't afford to use the latest and greatest computer software and only need the cheapest of cheap computers. I give lots of Linux computers to church brethren who need free computers for their childrens' schoolwork. Lastly, I use it because I'm a geek. Years ago, I used and recommended Linux for use in router and networking PC-based machines which have now been replaced by $50 appliances. I also used to use MythTV but no longer have time to maintain a PC-based PVR solution, With the advent of inexpensive HDTVs there is no free way to record expanded cable in Hi-Definition... so I rent a pair of Cox DVRs. > US Copyright is a created right that violates people's natural right to > free > press. Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 gives congress the power to do this, > but only if it furthers the public knowledge and the state of the arts. > The > founding fathers of this country despised exclusive franchises as tools of > tyranny and control and copyrights were originally limited and sensible. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Clause I have been told many times that wikipedia is not a credible source. Regardless, I hold copyright laws to be an effective tool to ensure a person who creates a work is fairly compensated if the work is deemed to hold value. > Many aspects of modern copyright law betray the public. Attacks on network > freedom for the benefit of a few big publishers harms society in more > important ways than a missed sitcom. The publishers have done an effective job at policing the networks themselves. Movies and other copyrighted content are policed to the point of sending abuse letters to ISPs when a user downloads Cars.. for example. There's no real need to shut down P2P. Why do you demand having information for free? You are employed by LSU. Did you hand your last paycheck back because the research information you produced should have been free? I think that QOS is a legitimate way to ensure that high-bandwidth applications don't affect low latency ones. It's a technical solution to a technical problem. > One of the first to object to > Comcast's throttling was a group that used P2P to distribute bible > translations. Bible translations aren't free. People do lots of work on translations and want to be fairly compensated for it, which is biblical by the way. Scientific research is greatly hampered by people's inability > to create digital libraries, and I can assure you that scientists all seek > the widest possible audience for their publications without the kinds of > rewards that MAFIAA pretend to offer people. So the people who are downloading Disney's library are doing it for the sake of science? > Laws that keep people from > sharing their own material with each other are UnAmerican There's no such law > and laws that > prevent private, non commercial copy are universally offensive and immoral. You cannot make this blanket statement. Add a "To ME" at the end of the sentence and we have no problem. > > Companies and business models which can't survive in freedom deserve to > fail, > we will all be better off without them. Again, let me know when you hand LSU back your paycheck. Then I will listen to your argument. > > Finally, you seem blissfully unaware of the shameful place US networks hold > in > the world. The US is the most powerful country in the world but more than > 20 > other countries do better than we do and places like Japan do dramatically > better. Instead of investing in a network that could provide everyone with > universal access to human knowledge, we have spent out time and money on > wiretaps that would make Erich Honecker blush, fighting P2P, which is one > of > the most efficient ways to distribute popular content, and writing stupid > laws like this: > > > http://biology.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pbio.1000030&ct=1&SESSID=f246fced5098a13180e242e58f10e1db > > Several people have pointed to Lafayette as an example of how things can > be, > but it will take a lot more than fiber to make networks serve the public > instead of a few vested interests. People like you need to be taught to > demand what's right for you or science, the state of the arts, freedom of > press and your privacy will be lost to the next version of cable TV. > Freedom of the press? This really is a religious argument for you, isn't it? > > Please help yourself to my pictures, classnotes code and other projects > that I > offer. Cox has yet to complain about my bandwith use because most people > are > not that interested in my stuff. They also seem to tolerate other > "servers" > such as IM and P2P clients which are far more popular and consume almost as > much bandwith as the W32 botnet spam flood. IM and P2P are not 'listening' on a 'port' for everyone to access. P2P requires a tracker and IM usually communicates with the network servers. http://www.hypothetic.org/docs/msn/general/overview.php "The program on your PC is called an MSN Messenger "client". It connects to > an MSN Messenger "server" over the Internet. In broad terms, the client then > sends and receives information with other clients via the server. Most of > the time, your client will converse with the MSN Messenger server, which > processes the information and tells other people. However, some information > is simply passed on by the server without being processed. For example, when > sending an instant message, the command "here is a message, pass it on" is > processed by the server, but the message itself is just passed on by the > server and processed by the client. " > > > On Thursday 29 January 2009, Andrew Baudouin wrote: > > Not to throw any more gasoline on the fire with this, but you posted > > "People who use and recommend Microsoft don't deserve to complain about > > bandwidth". > > > > Will, you just seem to have much different thought processes than most > > other people. I frequently fail to understand them, because they seem > > immature (e.g. I want unlimited bandwidth to download whatever I want > > including copyrighted material, 0 ms latency for my apps, and I also want > > Cox to give that to me for $10 a month while removing all botnets from > > their network, All information should be free, because I say so, Windows > > users are inferior as human beings, etc) > > > > I would like to gently remind you that you are currently violating Cox's > > TOS (line item 6) by hosting a web server on port 1024. > > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From williamhill2 at cox.net Sat Jan 31 10:03:19 2009 From: williamhill2 at cox.net (Will Hill) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:03:19 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901311003.20050.williamhill2@cox.net> Actually, this argument is rather old and tired. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversive_Proposal http://cogprints.org/1639/ http://poynder.blogspot.com/2008/02/open-access-interviews-john-wilbanks.html http://www.eprints.org/ Why do you reject universal access to knowledge through sharing? On Friday 30 January 2009, Andrew Baudouin wrote: > Will, the crux of your argument is that all information ought to be free. > ?I reject that assertion. ?All of the rest of this argument has been hashed > out already. From pietu at weblizards.net Sat Jan 31 10:29:34 2009 From: pietu at weblizards.net (Petri Laihonen) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 10:29:34 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] Productivity software - was Cox prepares to suck more. In-Reply-To: <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901281610.53112.williamhill2@cox.net> <200901291327.48533.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901291656t683c69d6xca5b1b793dfb0374@mail.gmail.com> <200901292240.04766.williamhill2@cox.net> <3fc325330901301833s75f97a6cq79fa452ba3f1da1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49847C6E.500@weblizards.net> Andrew Baudouin wrote: > I use and recommend Windows because I am able to quickly develop > productivity software with features that are impossible to develop on > Linux in a similar amount of time. While spam has not been > eliminated, I use mail accounts which for all intents and purposes do > a near 100% job at preventing it from reaching my inbox. So its > annoyance is of little effect to me. While I'm not a programmer, I would still like to have some examples of this productivity software. Also, what aspects / features (Excluding "windows only" like features) make it impossible to develop in Linux within similar amount of time? About the spam filtering and such.... I'm fairly sure m$ is using some open source stuff for that (at least partially). I wish I would've posted the mail headers and such to the list when I made that discovery few months back. That would have been interesting topic.... Basically, UNO has purchased some mail filtering service from Microsoft, and the filtering activity is done somewhere off-site. I was studying the mail headers and such for some reason and few headers indicated that open source stuff was involved...... While I do not have time to dig too much, I'll post something I encounter that again. Petri -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.