From MarkL at lmfj.com Mon Jul 6 11:41:04 2009
From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 11:41:04 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Dell Mini 10
Message-ID: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F66299163AC@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Does anybody have a Dell Mini 10 netbook they would allow me to "test drive" for an hour or so at my office? I'm considering them for an application and need to see how our business application scales and fits to the mini-screen. My app is on a terminal server so i just need a remote desktop connection don't have to install anything.
Mark
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Mon Jul 6 12:44:35 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:44:35 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] [Discuss] Dell Mini 10
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E01E7@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Wow, I just looked that up. It's TINY!
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Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:41 AM
To: 'General Discussion List'; 'discuss at br-issa.org';
'general at brlug.net'
Subject: [Discuss] Dell Mini 10
Does anybody have a Dell Mini 10 netbook they would allow me to "test
drive" for an hour or so at my office? I'm considering them for an
application and need to see how our business application scales and fits
to the mini-screen. My app is on a terminal server so i just need a
remote desktop connection don't have to install anything.
Mark
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
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From johnalexhebert at gmail.com Tue Jul 7 00:20:44 2009
From: johnalexhebert at gmail.com (John Hebert)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 00:20:44 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] The Matrix Ctrl-Alt-Del
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The Matrix... On WinXP
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From carl70448 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 7 07:39:59 2009
From: carl70448 at yahoo.com (c.a. weisheit)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 05:39:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [brlug-general] microsoft issues warning!
Message-ID: <636121.36500.qm@web111303.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
another day another dangerous security flaw.
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090707/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_microsoft_security
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From joe at fruchey.net Tue Jul 7 08:39:47 2009
From: joe at fruchey.net (Joe Fruchey)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:39:47 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] The Matrix Ctrl-Alt-Del
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <65ef39b10907070639n54f936a6g9fcb9a48008a06e8@mail.gmail.com>
Awesome. Thanks for posting.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:20 AM, John Hebert wrote:
> The Matrix... On WinXP
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Wed Jul 8 08:35:20 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:35:20 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] [Discuss] Dell Mini 10
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E01E7@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E01E7@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
Dell is gonna put poor ASUS out of the netbook business. :\
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:45 PM
To: discuss at br-issa.org; General Discussion List; general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] [Discuss] Dell Mini 10
Wow, I just looked that up. It's TINY!
________________________________
From: discuss-bounces at br-issa.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at br-issa.org]
On Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 11:41 AM
To: 'General Discussion List'; 'discuss at br-issa.org';
'general at brlug.net'
Subject: [Discuss] Dell Mini 10
Does anybody have a Dell Mini 10 netbook they would allow me to "test
drive" for an hour or so at my office? I'm considering them for an
application and need to see how our business application scales and fits
to the mini-screen. My app is on a terminal server so i just need a
remote desktop connection don't have to install anything.
Mark
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
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Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
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From sroddy at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 08:48:15 2009
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 08:48:15 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] email encryption - Was Re: [Discuss] Dell Mini 10
Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0907080648n28290ed3v445bf8f9708890c4@mail.gmail.com>
Ok. This has been bugging me for a while now.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Jarred White wrote:
>
> New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
>
>
> [snip]
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
Click on the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
> be your password to access future attachments.
>
> [snip]
Someone please explain to me how this is email encryption? Stripping
attachments and placing them on a web server does not make it "email
encryption". Nor does placing a file on a SSL web server make the file
encrypted.
My $.02, probably worth less.
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Wed Jul 8 09:24:57 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:24:57 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] email encryption - Was Re: [Discuss] Dell Mini
10
In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba0907080648n28290ed3v445bf8f9708890c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d48b6ba0907080648n28290ed3v445bf8f9708890c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Ugh. I hate all of the crap that our SMTP server appends to emails.
You're right. It doesn't exist. It's buzzword crap that companies who
don't know any better put on their emails to make their clients (who
don't know any better) feel better.
In fact, since the emails with the login information are in plain text
and could be intercepted, if someone stole a registration email, they
could simply login to the server and retrieve the file as well. I'm not
sure how this makes documents safer to send by email, except by adding
additional steps for an attacker to get the credentials.
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:48 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] email encryption - Was Re: [Discuss] Dell Mini
10
Ok. This has been bugging me for a while now.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Jarred White wrote:
New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
[snip]
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web
server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will
be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments.
[snip]
Someone please explain to me how this is email encryption? Stripping
attachments and placing them on a web server does not make it "email
encryption". Nor does placing a file on a SSL web server make the file
encrypted.
My $.02, probably worth less.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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From sroddy at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 10:29:10 2009
From: sroddy at gmail.com (SR)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 10:29:10 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] email encryption - Was Re: [Discuss] Dell Mini
10
In-Reply-To:
References: <8d48b6ba0907080648n28290ed3v445bf8f9708890c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0907080829j7f1ec26al1955e21cc7c092ef@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Jarred White wrote:
> Ugh. I hate all of the crap that our SMTP server appends to emails.
>
>
>
> You?re right. It doesn?t exist. It?s buzzword crap that companies who don?t
> know any better put on their emails to make their clients (who don?t know
> any better) feel better.
>
>
>
> In fact, since the emails with the login information are in plain text and
> could be intercepted, if someone stole a registration email, they could
> simply login to the server and retrieve the file as well. I?m not sure how
> this makes documents safer to send by email, except by adding additional
> steps for an attacker to get the credentials.
>
yeah.. I was wondering how the initial account setup was handled, ala
statement here:
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments.
>
>
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Shannon Roddy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:48 AM
> *To:* general at brlug.net
> *Subject:* [brlug-general] email encryption - Was Re: [Discuss] Dell Mini
> 10
>
>
>
> Ok. This has been bugging me for a while now.
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Jarred White wrote:
>
>
>
> New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
>
>
>
> [snip]
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
>
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
>
> be your password to access future attachments.
>
> [snip]
>
> Someone please explain to me how this is email encryption? Stripping
> attachments and placing them on a web server does not make it "email
> encryption". Nor does placing a file on a SSL web server make the file
> encrypted.
>
> My $.02, probably worth less.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
> relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
> new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
> be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>
> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
> P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
> =====================================================================================================
>
>
>
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> General mailing list
> General at brlug.net
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From questy at gmail.com Wed Jul 8 11:30:41 2009
From: questy at gmail.com (Jerald Sheets)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 12:30:41 -0400
Subject: [brlug-general] Fwd: LDAP Contract
References: <79d511080907080734i5a0979fcl9ff36a219de3331f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83F9FD0E-FF9C-47FC-A735-7B215DC948CD@gmail.com>
I wanted to send this along to brlug in case no one here could take it.
Jerald Sheets
Sent from my iPhone
Please disregard spelling/grammar errors
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Jerald Sheets
> Date: July 8, 2009 10:34:47 AM EDT
> To: "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts - Yes! We run Linux!"
> Subject: LDAP Contract
>
> Hey guys.
>
> I have a group here internally at Turner/CNN that is setting up LDAP
> authentication from the ground up for a new environment we're
> bringing in-house. They need someone for a few weeks to:
>
> a) setup the servers
> b) help do an initial import of users (potentially. The skillset
> should be there)
> c) train the engineers on how to manage the store.
>
> What has already happened:
>
> I helped them specify the systems (although I'm too slammed to do
> the work in setting them up)
>
> They have three, 1 master with 2 replicants.
> Assume all admin at master
> Assume replicants with bonded NICs, running LinuxHA between them,
> NICs spread across switches.
> OpenLDAP over CentOS 5.2 (maybe RH ES 5.2)
> Total setup time of a couple weeks max, including training time for
> a handful of somewhat experienced admins.
> (I say somewhat because these guys are engineers in the classical
> sense whereas we are systems engineers. Two different animals, but
> the same project, different environment)
>
> Anything with an "Assume" at the front above can be negotiable, but
> it would help for it to look somewhat like what we already have in-
> place.
>
> Specify your rate, reply to me privately. I will send candidates on
> to the group pulling this project together. Project will go
> quickly, most likely will be some long hours. You need to be a good
> communicator and very patient at times. (again the Engineer thing)
>
> ---
> Jerald M. Sheets jr.
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Thu Jul 9 13:58:16 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:58:16 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going to be
all that great..
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0235@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Bruce Schneier for one..
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_guru_calls_chrome_oss_secu
rity_claims_idiotic.php
--
Dustin Puryear
President and Sr. Consultant
Puryear Information Technology, LLC
225-706-8414 x112
http://www.puryear-it.com
Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
From sroddy at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 17:09:23 2009
From: sroddy at gmail.com (SR)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 17:09:23 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going
to be all that great..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0235@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0235@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0907091509s14c377e9w761bce033254498a@mail.gmail.com>
Dustin said: "Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going to be all that
great.."
That's not at all what the article said. Please re-read the article and try
again. ;-)
-Shannon
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> Bruce Schneier for one..
>
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_guru_calls_chrome_oss_secu
> rity_claims_idiotic.php
>
> --
> Dustin Puryear
> President and Sr. Consultant
> Puryear Information Technology, LLC
> 225-706-8414 x112
> http://www.puryear-it.com
>
> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
>
>
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Fri Jul 10 10:30:36 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:30:36 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
I did read it f00l. :)
I think there is some overhyping here. Sorry, that's what I think.
Now take that!
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of SR
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:09 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto be all that great..
Dustin said:? "Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going to be all that great.."
That's not at all what the article said.? Please re-read the article and try again.? ;-)
-Shannon
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
Bruce Schneier for one..
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_guru_calls_chrome_oss_secu
rity_claims_idiotic.php
--
Dustin Puryear
President and Sr. Consultant
Puryear Information Technology, LLC
225-706-8414 x112
http://www.puryear-it.com
Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
?http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
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General mailing list
General at brlug.net
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From tfournet at tfour.net Fri Jul 10 10:58:36 2009
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:58:36 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
announcement == overhyping??
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
>From reading the announcement (not the "every operating system has viruses"
rant linked in the original post), Google's aim is to bring operating
systems the next step forward. It's clear that we're way past due for that.
Windows has set the bar for two decades now, and that bar is holding us back
now. We should have applications that are agnostic about their underlying
operating system, aware of location, and able to scale between different
types of interface technology.
Microsoft has had research into this area, but it's clear that they aren't
ready for the next step as a company. The first concepts of Windows 7 were
supposed to be that next step, but it turns out to be not much more than a
service pack for Vista.
I don't think Google is making the great claims that people are attributing
them to. I think they're saying "dammit, it's time for a new paradigm, and
we were really hoping that it was going to happen by now. It hasn't, so we
might as well take a crack at it".
I personally hope that this is finally the gateway operating system to a new
shift to a world where applications and information live in the internet and
devices are just handy ways of accessing that information. I envision a
world where computing devices (laptops, desktops, handhelds, kiosks,
implants) are all just gateways to the connected world. People will just use
the right tool for the job depending on their location and the task at hand.
We've had baby steps in that direction for the past 10 years, but we're
[past] due for a quantifiable jump.
-Tim
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> I did read it f00l. :)
>
> I think there is some overhyping here. Sorry, that's what I think.
>
> Now take that!
>
> ________________________________________
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of SR
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:09 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
> goingto be all that great..
>
> Dustin said: "Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going to be all that
> great.."
>
> That's not at all what the article said. Please re-read the article and
> try again. ;-)
>
> -Shannon
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dustin Puryear
> wrote:
> Bruce Schneier for one..
>
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_guru_calls_chrome_oss_secu
> rity_claims_idiotic.php
>
> --
> Dustin Puryear
> President and Sr. Consultant
> Puryear Information Technology, LLC
> 225-706-8414 x112
> http://www.puryear-it.com
>
> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
>
>
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From sroddy at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 11:32:49 2009
From: sroddy at gmail.com (SR)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:32:49 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> I did read it f00l. :)
Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence
which was a security claim.
>
>
> I think there is some overhyping here.
What over-hyping? You must travel in different circles than I do... All
I've heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post. The only
reason it might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years
of speculation and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service
pack for vista, which was a service pack for.... ad nauseum
My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively
exploited (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update
anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against
government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
> Sorry, that's what I think.
You're free to have any opinion you wish. Doesn't make it right. ;-)
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From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:48:24 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
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>
> My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively
> exploited (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update
> anymore?),
>
unfortunately many companies and agencies still use IE, because many other
companies develop apps that only run on IE so
people who buy the apps must use it. I work for such an agency, i don't
agree with it, but I like having a job and I must support it and therefore
have to use it.
Google does make a claim that they will build and OS with no
vulnerabilities. Like one of the blog post said, I think people are stuck on
the semantics of the wording. No one knows what the underlying code will do.
Is it possible to build such and OS? sure.
Are they gonna get it right the first time? I doubt. Will it be better than
any other option available now? mostly.
I assume they're going to use some form of nix for the underlying OS. Unless
they start from scratch and build their own
HAL and all the pieces that go into an OS, then there are going to be things
out of their control.
There are a lot of questions and variables that are going to be involved,
but surely in the end there will be an OS that is going to
be a lot different from anything we see today. I for one can't wait to see.
bb
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From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:35:06 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
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I'm certain this is going to be JADOG (Just Another Distro Of Gnu/Linux).
Move along now, nothing to see here.
The world certainly does not need JADOG. What it needs is Ubuntu (without
the gayness of OOB MP3/DVD prohibition) to truly become supported.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Brad Bendily wrote:
> My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively
>> exploited (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update
>> anymore?),
>>
>
> unfortunately many companies and agencies still use IE, because many other
> companies develop apps that only run on IE so
> people who buy the apps must use it. I work for such an agency, i don't
> agree with it, but I like having a job and I must support it and therefore
> have to use it.
>
> Google does make a claim that they will build and OS with no
> vulnerabilities. Like one of the blog post said, I think people are stuck on
> the semantics of the wording. No one knows what the underlying code will do.
> Is it possible to build such and OS? sure.
> Are they gonna get it right the first time? I doubt. Will it be better than
> any other option available now? mostly.
> I assume they're going to use some form of nix for the underlying OS.
> Unless they start from scratch and build their own
> HAL and all the pieces that go into an OS, then there are going to be
> things out of their control.
>
> There are a lot of questions and variables that are going to be involved,
> but surely in the end there will be an OS that is going to
> be a lot different from anything we see today. I for one can't wait to see.
>
> bb
>
>
> --
> Have Mercy & Say Yeah
>
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From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:56:59 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
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I disagree. This, along with Moblin (www.moblin.org), are experiments into
making computing something more than the tired old (local pc/local
apps/local data) ideas that have held progress back for too long. Getting
beyond that makes things like viruses much less problematic, even if they
still will exist.
ChromeOS and Moblin may both fail, but at least they're getting some people
working in the right direction, and opening up the possibilities of new
methods of computing. The evolution of computing needs to get cranked up
again, and fast.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Andrew Baudouin wrote:
> I'm certain this is going to be JADOG (Just Another Distro Of Gnu/Linux).
> Move along now, nothing to see here.
>
> The world certainly does not need JADOG. What it needs is Ubuntu (without
> the gayness of OOB MP3/DVD prohibition) to truly become supported.
>
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Fri Jul 10 14:54:49 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:54:49 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingtobe all that great..
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0253@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
I never said Google was the one overhyping it.
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of SR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:33 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe all that great..
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
I did read it f00l. :)
Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence which was a security claim.
?
I think there is some overhyping here.
What over-hyping?? You must travel in different circles than I do...? All I've heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post.? The only reason it might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years of speculation and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service pack for vista, which was a service pack for....? ad nauseum
My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively exploited? (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
?
Sorry, that's what I think.
You're free to have any opinion you wish.? Doesn't make it right.? ;-)
?
From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Fri Jul 10 14:56:10 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:56:10 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0254@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
--
Dustin Puryear
President and Sr. Consultant
Puryear Information Technology, LLC
225-706-8414 x112
http://www.puryear-it.com
Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Fri Jul 10 14:57:35 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:57:35 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS
isgoingtobe all that great..
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0255@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Just Google for "google chrome". It's nuts (and berries).
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:55 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS isgoingtobe all that great..
I never said Google was the one overhyping it.
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of SR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:33 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe all that great..
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
I did read it f00l. :)
Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence which was a security claim.
?
I think there is some overhyping here.
What over-hyping?? You must travel in different circles than I do...? All I've heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post.? The only reason it might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years of speculation and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service pack for vista, which was a service pack for....? ad nauseum
My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively exploited? (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
?
Sorry, that's what I think.
You're free to have any opinion you wish.? Doesn't make it right.? ;-)
?
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Fri Jul 10 15:00:44 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:00:44 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM
fest
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E025A@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Importance: High
Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
--
Dustin Puryear
President and Sr. Consultant
Puryear Information Technology, LLC
225-706-8414 x112
http://www.puryear-it.com
Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
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From MarkL at lmfj.com Fri Jul 10 15:15:22 2009
From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:15:22 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest
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AIM: MarkAtLMFJ
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication .
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM fest
As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Importance: High
Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
--
Dustin Puryear
President and Sr. Consultant
Puryear Information Technology, LLC
225-706-8414 x112
http://www.puryear-it.com
Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
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From tfournet at tfour.net Fri Jul 10 15:23:41 2009
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:23:41 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest
In-Reply-To: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F662ABE5C3F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E025A@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F662ABE5C3F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Message-ID:
my email address is my IM address (jabber)
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
> AIM: MarkAtLMFJ
>
>
>
>
> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
> Director of Information Technology
> 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
> www.lmfj.com
>
>
>
> This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
> intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all
> copies of this communication .
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM
> fest
>
> As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
> Importance: High
>
> Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
>
> --
> Dustin Puryear
> President and Sr. Consultant
> Puryear Information Technology, LLC
> 225-706-8414 x112
> http://www.puryear-it.com
>
> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
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From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:35:53 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest
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Dustin: Out with it!
AIM: dook43
YIM: dook43
MSN: lsudotnet at gmail.com
Jabber: andrewmb at gmail.com
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Tim Fournet wrote:
> my email address is my IM address (jabber)
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
>
>> AIM: MarkAtLMFJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
>> Director of Information Technology
>> 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
>> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
>> www.lmfj.com
>>
>>
>>
>> This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
>> intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all
>> copies of this communication .
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE: IM
>> fest
>>
>> As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
>> Importance: High
>>
>> Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
>>
>> --
>> Dustin Puryear
>> President and Sr. Consultant
>> Puryear Information Technology, LLC
>> 225-706-8414 x112
>> http://www.puryear-it.com
>>
>> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>>
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From: andrewmb at gmail.com (Andrew Baudouin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:16:25 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
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Java, the .Net Framework, and Mono are efforts to have OS-agnostic
applications without destroying the whole PC paradigm. I think .Net is
intentionally crippled to ensure that the best features of Windows are only
available through access to legacy API's, but functional business apps can
still be programmed without using those features.
I don't see these new OS's as "innovation"... just "change". Additionally,
I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my data is stored. How
is that good for me as a business?
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Tim Fournet wrote:
> announcement == overhyping??
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
>
> From reading the announcement (not the "every operating system has viruses"
> rant linked in the original post), Google's aim is to bring operating
> systems the next step forward. It's clear that we're way past due for that.
> Windows has set the bar for two decades now, and that bar is holding us back
> now. We should have applications that are agnostic about their underlying
> operating system, aware of location, and able to scale between different
> types of interface technology.
>
> Microsoft has had research into this area, but it's clear that they aren't
> ready for the next step as a company. The first concepts of Windows 7 were
> supposed to be that next step, but it turns out to be not much more than a
> service pack for Vista.
>
>
> I don't think Google is making the great claims that people are attributing
> them to. I think they're saying "dammit, it's time for a new paradigm, and
> we were really hoping that it was going to happen by now. It hasn't, so we
> might as well take a crack at it".
>
> I personally hope that this is finally the gateway operating system to a
> new shift to a world where applications and information live in the internet
> and devices are just handy ways of accessing that information. I envision a
> world where computing devices (laptops, desktops, handhelds, kiosks,
> implants) are all just gateways to the connected world. People will just use
> the right tool for the job depending on their location and the task at hand.
> We've had baby steps in that direction for the past 10 years, but we're
> [past] due for a quantifiable jump.
>
>
> -Tim
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
>> I did read it f00l. :)
>>
>> I think there is some overhyping here. Sorry, that's what I think.
>>
>> Now take that!
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of SR
>> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 5:09 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
>> goingto be all that great..
>>
>> Dustin said: "Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is going to be all
>> that great.."
>>
>> That's not at all what the article said. Please re-read the article and
>> try again. ;-)
>>
>> -Shannon
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dustin Puryear
>> wrote:
>> Bruce Schneier for one..
>>
>> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/security_guru_calls_chrome_oss_secu
>> rity_claims_idiotic.php
>>
>> --
>> Dustin Puryear
>> President and Sr. Consultant
>> Puryear Information Technology, LLC
>> 225-706-8414 x112
>> http://www.puryear-it.com
>>
>> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>>
>>
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From: sroddy at gmail.com (SR)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:43:53 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingtobe all that great..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0253@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0253@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0907101543u3db9e8f4u19a42f36187b1b96@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> I never said Google was the one overhyping it.
Nor did I say you said that. You had a reading comprehension check lately?
:P
>
> ________________________________________
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of SR
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:33 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
> goingtobe all that great..
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear
> wrote:
> I did read it f00l. :)
>
> Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence
> which was a security claim.
>
>
>
> I think there is some overhyping here.
>
> What over-hyping? You must travel in different circles than I do... All
> I've heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post. The only
> reason it might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years
> of speculation and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service
> pack for vista, which was a service pack for.... ad nauseum
>
> My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively
> exploited (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update
> anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against
> government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
>
> Sorry, that's what I think.
>
> You're free to have any opinion you wish. Doesn't make it right. ;-)
>
>
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From: sroddy at gmail.com (SR)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:46:00 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To: <3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Andrew Baudouin wrote:
> ...the best features of Windows...
Windows has good features?
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From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:41:09 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To: <3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
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**Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my
data is stored. How is that good for me as a business?
Sorry I'm late to the party :)
You said it. The security implications about something like this really
bother me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my
transport protocols and the level of trust between other systems I
communicate with before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out
there in "the cloud." Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment
located out there on the public Internet? :P
Having said that, I'm interested to see where this goes. Things like the
new Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I
think they're most certainly the future of portable devices, I'm not so
sure how I feel about desktop computing heading in that direction.
Brad - don't lie, you know you use IE because you love it.
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Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
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Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:43:40 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E026C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Oh, I'm dpuryearusanet (AIM).
________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Andrew Baudouin
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:36 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest
Dustin: Out with it!
AIM: dook43
YIM: dook43
MSN: lsudotnet at gmail.com
Jabber: andrewmb at gmail.com
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Tim Fournet wrote:
my email address is my IM address (jabber)
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
AIM: MarkAtLMFJ
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy
all copies of this communication .
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest
As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Importance: High
Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
--
Dustin Puryear
President and Sr. Consultant
Puryear Information Technology, LLC
225-706-8414 x112
http://www.puryear-it.com
Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
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From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:43:55 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E026D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
I don't even remember what my Jabber account is..
________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:24 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest
my email address is my IM address (jabber)
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
AIM: MarkAtLMFJ
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy
all copies of this communication .
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest
As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
Importance: High
Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
--
Dustin Puryear
President and Sr. Consultant
Puryear Information Technology, LLC
225-706-8414 x112
http://www.puryear-it.com
Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
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From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:44:35 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS
isgoingtobe all that great..
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E026E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
I don't actually know how to read. *cries*
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of SR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 5:44 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS isgoingtobe all that great..
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
I never said Google was the one overhyping it.
Nor did I say you said that.? You had a reading comprehension check lately?
?
:P
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of SR
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 11:33 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe all that great..
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
I did read it f00l. :)
Then you should have gotten that it was just nitpicking over one sentence which was a security claim.
?
I think there is some overhyping here.
What over-hyping?? You must travel in different circles than I do...? All I've heard about Chrome OS is a press release and one blog post.? The only reason it might be hyped is a) this is from Google b) there has been years of speculation and c) it's new, as opposed to Windows 7 which is a service pack for vista, which was a service pack for....? ad nauseum
My week in news has been about a 0-day for IE which is being actively exploited? (does anyone really use IE for anything besides windows update anymore?), an OpenSSH vulnerability which was a hoax, and the DDoS against government sites using, *gasp*, compromised Windows PCs.
?
Sorry, that's what I think.
You're free to have any opinion you wish.? Doesn't make it right.? ;-)
?
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From karthik at poobal.net Mon Jul 13 11:14:55 2009
From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobal)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:14:55 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E025A@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E025A@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <39DFEF7D-B6D9-46E0-BDE3-2DBE7CE9802D@poobal.net>
AIM: karthik at poobal.net
GTalk: karthik at poobal.net
skype: poobal
--
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Louisiana Board of Regents
karthik at poobal.net
karthik at la.gov
225-910-6126
skype: poobal
On Jul 10, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
> Importance: High
>
> Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
>
> --
> Dustin Puryear
> President and Sr. Consultant
> Puryear Information Technology, LLC
> 225-706-8414 x112
> http://www.puryear-it.com
>
> Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
>
>
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From questy at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 11:29:47 2009
From: questy at gmail.com (Jerald Sheets)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:29:47 -0400
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest
In-Reply-To: <39DFEF7D-B6D9-46E0-BDE3-2DBE7CE9802D@poobal.net>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E025A@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<39DFEF7D-B6D9-46E0-BDE3-2DBE7CE9802D@poobal.net>
Message-ID: <79d511080907130929o119d02f5m8a1fe5d9e196cef0@mail.gmail.com>
AIM: questyzero
YIM: jsheets
ICQ: 6921523
MSN: zeroquesty
---
Jerald M. Sheets jr.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Karthik Poobal wrote:
> AIM: karthik at poobal.net
> GTalk: karthik at poobal.net
> skype: poobal
>
> --
> Karthik Poobalasubramanian
> Louisiana Board of Regents
> karthik at poobal.net
> karthik at la.gov
> 225-910-6126
> skype: poobal
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2009, at 3:00 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
> > As there as been confusion over the Subject: line, I rewrote it. :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> > Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 2:56 PM
> > To: general at brlug.net
> > Subject: [brlug-general] IM fest
> > Importance: High
> >
> > Time for the yearly "This is my IM" updates.
> >
> > --
> > Dustin Puryear
> > President and Sr. Consultant
> > Puryear Information Technology, LLC
> > 225-706-8414 x112
> > http://www.puryear-it.com
> >
> > Author, "Best Practices for Managing Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >
> >
> >
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From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:43:56 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was: RE:
IM fest
In-Reply-To: <79d511080907130929o119d02f5m8a1fe5d9e196cef0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E025A@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<39DFEF7D-B6D9-46E0-BDE3-2DBE7CE9802D@poobal.net>
<79d511080907130929o119d02f5m8a1fe5d9e196cef0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
so, what's the point here? If we all add each other on IM, then we'll have
no to reason to use the list?
And then I won't be able to ridicule Jarred in a public forum. :(
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From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:05:55 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
If your computer is already on the internet, then your data is already in
the "cloud". Your trusting it to be secure just because it physically lives
at the same place you do? Many of us use VPNs or SSL to get to data stored
at remote facilities every day. Renting space or computing resources
somewhere else is just a logical advancement of that idea. The benefit is
your are able to take advantage of someone else's economies of scale to
bring down the costs of running your own business.
Consider this scenario:
10 companies. Each of these companies has two sites. They have decided to
install a Small Business Server at each site because their local IT
consultant told them so. Each server ran them somewhere in the neighborhood
of $5,000 including software, licenses, and hardware. Since each site is
running their own Exchange (SBS) Server, they must keep power and cooling
active 24/7. They also need to dedicate a secure location in their buildings
with adequate power and cooling to run a server. Total investment between
all of these companies is at least $100,000 plus recurring costs of
electricity and cooling for 20 facilities. Do these sites need guaranteed
uptime? Battery Backups, Generators, etc? Those cost a lot.
What is the average utilization of each server? They're basically all doing
the same thing. They require a lot of computing resources because they are
running Windows, Exchange, and all the other "features" of SBS. If you were
running all of this out of one facility, how much equipment would it really
take to run it? Maybe $20,000 worth? How many sets of air conditioners need
to run? One (two for redundancy)? What about expertise? Each company would
need to hire an IT consultant to manage all of these servers. If they were
consolidated, then it would only take one team to manage this.
That is the real benefit of "cloud" computing. Once you understand the
technology and build a layer of trust between yourself and your provider,
then it makes sense. You are allowing an organization that has its own
resources and expertise to handle the job of data storage and access, and
you focus on your real work. If you understand the nature of data then you
know that you can make your own backups if you don't trust your provider not
to lose your data. Your backups won't be as "available" but you'll have the
data available if it ever came to that.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jarred White wrote:
> **Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my
> data is stored. How is that good for me as a business?
>
> Sorry I?m late to the party :)
>
> You said it. The security implications about something like this really
> bother me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my
> transport protocols and the level of trust between other systems I
> communicate with before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out
> there in ?the cloud.? Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment
> located out there on the public Internet? :P
>
> Having said that, I?m interested to see where this goes. Things like the
> new Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I
> think they?re most certainly the future of portable devices, I?m not so sure
> how I feel about desktop computing heading in that direction.
>
> Brad ? don?t lie, you know you use IE because you love it.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
> relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
> new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
> be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>
> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
> P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
> =====================================================================================================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at brlug.net
> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
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From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:21:35 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingtobe all that great..
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0277@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
I don't think that having your data on servers and storage that "physically lives at the same place you do" and, I'll add, that you own, is a small thing. If nothing else, legally, it's a very big thing.
There was an article in the ISSA Journal about this a few months ago I think. I do think things are heading in that direction, but I don't think it's just the next step. There are some real differences here.
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:06 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingtobe all that great..
If your computer is already on the internet, then your data is already in the "cloud". Your trusting it to be secure just because it physically lives at the same place you do? Many of us use VPNs or SSL to get to data stored at remote facilities every day. Renting space or computing resources somewhere else is just a logical advancement of that idea. The benefit is your are able to take advantage of someone else's economies of scale to bring down the costs of running your own business.
Consider this scenario:
10 companies. Each of these companies has two sites. They have decided to install a Small Business Server at each site because their local IT consultant told them so. Each server ran them somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000 including software, licenses, and hardware. Since each site is running their own Exchange (SBS) Server, they must keep power and cooling active 24/7. They also need to dedicate a secure location in their buildings with adequate power and cooling to run a server. Total investment between all of these companies is at least $100,000 plus recurring costs of electricity and cooling for 20 facilities. Do these sites need guaranteed uptime? Battery Backups, Generators, etc? Those cost a lot.
What is the average utilization of each server? They're basically all doing the same thing. They require a lot of computing resources because they are running Windows, Exchange, and all the other "features" of SBS. If you were running all of this out of one facility, how much equipment would it really take to run it? Maybe $20,000 worth? How many sets of air conditioners need to run? One (two for redundancy)? ?What about expertise? Each company would need to hire an IT consultant to manage all of these servers. If they were consolidated, then it would only take one team to manage this. ?
That is the real benefit of "cloud" computing. Once you understand the technology and build a layer of trust between yourself and your provider, then it makes sense. You are allowing an organization that has its own resources and expertise to handle the job of data storage and access, and you focus on your real work. If you understand the nature of data then you know that you can make your own backups if you don't trust your provider not to lose your data. Your backups won't be as "available" but you'll have the data available if it ever came to that.
?
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jarred White wrote:
**Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my data is stored.? How is that good for me as a business?
Sorry I'm late to the party :)
You said it. The security implications about something like this really bother me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my transport protocols and the level of trust between other systems I communicate with before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out there in "the cloud." Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment located out there on the public Internet? :P
Having said that, I'm interested to see where this goes. Things like the new Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I think they're most certainly the future of portable devices, I'm not so sure how I feel about desktop computing heading in that direction.
Brad - don't lie, you know you use IE because you love it.
?
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Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Mon Jul 13 12:22:46 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:22:46 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0278@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
IM and a mailing list are generally used for different reasons, IMO. :)
I just goof off with IM.
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:44 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic - Was:
RE:IM fest
so, what's the point here? If we all add each other on IM, then we'll
have no to reason to use the list?
And then I won't be able to ridicule Jarred in a public forum. :(
--
Have Mercy & Say Yeah
From MarkL at lmfj.com Mon Jul 13 12:43:45 2009
From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:43:45 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -
Was: RE:IM fest
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0278@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0278@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F6630754100@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
> I just goof off with IM.
........and e-mail
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Mon Jul 13 12:44:55 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:44:55 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Because my personal desktop at home, or my workstation at work, connects
to the Internet, my data is in "the cloud?" That doesn't make any sense.
So because I have systems here at work where I store workpapers and
documents and other materials related to my clients, that information is
actually residing in the cloud? I'm not sure I agree.
The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc...) in use can
certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else's data
center) then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with
that vendor to protect the data. At that point, you can only do what's
reasonable up until the point it reaches their systems, then it's out of
your hands. The type of scenario that you're describing is already
happening and there are already issues with outsourcing data and other
IT functions in that manner.
Let's say that I have an agreement to store electronic backups with NTG
(Venue, whatever) here in Baton Rouge. I ensure that the method of
communication is secure and uses encryption, and that the servers
performing the backups mutually authenticate each other. Great! What
happens when someone walks into NTG and walks out with my blade or my
tapes? There wasn't much I could do to secure that data other than agree
to the service level agreement. So now we want to take that concept and
apply it to every facet of daily computing?
Even if the application is stored in the cloud and the data resides
locally on a hard drive or network storage device, what happens when the
central application is modified or exploited in some way? Will we know?
Can we know? How many people will it affect? Everyone?
Bundle in all of the regulatory and governmental issues concerned with
storage and transmission of personal data and other pieces of
information, and you're looking at years before something like this
could be practical for businesses or individuals dealing with sensitive
information. Only when the operating system (Chrome OS for instance)
resides WITHIN the trusted computing environment does this make sense,
and at that point we're looking at something similar to Citrix,
mainframes and dummy terminals, etc... which isn't exactly a new
breakthrough in computing. I guess that Citrix has been doing it
reliably for years, but remember that the Citrix servers don't reside on
Citrix's network - they reside on your own, and you are responsible for
securing them.
On the other hand, a lot of idiots can't even apply a simple patch or
update once a week/month to eliminate a vulnerability. With millions of
people out there running their own independent versions of an unpatched
operating system, it gives attackers many more targets to hit. If
updates and security fixes were applied to centralized applications,
that would simplify the problem.
Sorry for the rambling. I'm not saying it isn't a great idea and that
reducing costs isn't a good thing, I'm just saying that simply allowing
my data to reside elsewhere because it's "cheap" and "logical" and "the
next step" doesn't necessarily make it safe. Maybe I am being too
paranoid, but that seems unlikely given the stories I read every day in
the newspaper about identity theft and electronic data breaches. The
solution doesn't seem to be putting all of our eggs into one basket, but
many eggs in many different baskets. :)
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:06 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..
If your computer is already on the internet, then your data is already
in the "cloud". Your trusting it to be secure just because it physically
lives at the same place you do? Many of us use VPNs or SSL to get to
data stored at remote facilities every day. Renting space or computing
resources somewhere else is just a logical advancement of that idea. The
benefit is your are able to take advantage of someone else's economies
of scale to bring down the costs of running your own business.
Consider this scenario:
10 companies. Each of these companies has two sites. They have decided
to install a Small Business Server at each site because their local IT
consultant told them so. Each server ran them somewhere in the
neighborhood of $5,000 including software, licenses, and hardware. Since
each site is running their own Exchange (SBS) Server, they must keep
power and cooling active 24/7. They also need to dedicate a secure
location in their buildings with adequate power and cooling to run a
server. Total investment between all of these companies is at least
$100,000 plus recurring costs of electricity and cooling for 20
facilities. Do these sites need guaranteed uptime? Battery Backups,
Generators, etc? Those cost a lot.
What is the average utilization of each server? They're basically all
doing the same thing. They require a lot of computing resources because
they are running Windows, Exchange, and all the other "features" of SBS.
If you were running all of this out of one facility, how much equipment
would it really take to run it? Maybe $20,000 worth? How many sets of
air conditioners need to run? One (two for redundancy)? What about
expertise? Each company would need to hire an IT consultant to manage
all of these servers. If they were consolidated, then it would only take
one team to manage this.
That is the real benefit of "cloud" computing. Once you understand the
technology and build a layer of trust between yourself and your
provider, then it makes sense. You are allowing an organization that has
its own resources and expertise to handle the job of data storage and
access, and you focus on your real work. If you understand the nature of
data then you know that you can make your own backups if you don't trust
your provider not to lose your data. Your backups won't be as
"available" but you'll have the data available if it ever came to that.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jarred White wrote:
**Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my
data is stored. How is that good for me as a business?
Sorry I'm late to the party :)
You said it. The security implications about something like this really
bother me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my
transport protocols and the level of trust between other systems I
communicate with before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out
there in "the cloud." Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment
located out there on the public Internet? :P
Having said that, I'm interested to see where this goes. Things like the
new Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I
think they're most certainly the future of portable devices, I'm not so
sure how I feel about desktop computing heading in that direction.
Brad - don't lie, you know you use IE because you love it.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any
federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used,
and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
Code.
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Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data
confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound
emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and
others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
========================================================================
=============================
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http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
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contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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From sroddy at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 12:50:21 2009
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:50:21 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0907131050v50acd3bdy3f37751d21e19029@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White wrote:
>
>
> The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc?) in use can
> certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
> matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else?s data center)
> then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with that vendor
> to protect the data.
>
The stored data can always be encrypted in the "cloud". Think FDE for the
cloud.
Personally, I am just happy to see any form of competition for M$.
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From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:57:31 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba0907131050v50acd3bdy3f37751d21e19029@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
<8d48b6ba0907131050v50acd3bdy3f37751d21e19029@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
That's true, but if what you're proposing is encrypting your own data
before it goes to the cloud, then you had better hope that Google Chrome
OS applications natively support encryption. So if I pull up Google Word
through my Chrome OS start menu and I include my tax return information
from 2009, then save the file, will it be automatically encrypted? Where
will the file be saved? Where did the encryption occur? Locally or
remotely on the server? If the encryption keys are gathered, will they
work for all users of the application or just my document?
I'm just playing devil's advocate. There are obviously a lot of issues
to consider, such as bandwidth constraints, licensing/service level
agreements, etc...
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:50 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White wrote:
The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc...) in use can
certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else's data
center) then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with
that vendor to protect the data.
The stored data can always be encrypted in the "cloud". Think FDE for
the cloud.
Personally, I am just happy to see any form of competition for M$.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:07:04 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
<8d48b6ba0907131050v50acd3bdy3f37751d21e19029@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0907131107w6ee8770dybf02e226e89fb1ac@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> That?s true, but if what you?re proposing is encrypting your own data
> before it goes to the cloud, then you had better hope that Google Chrome OS
> applications natively support encryption.
>
That's my point. If enough people gripe, then they'll build in support for
encryption. I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just saying it's possible. So,
the data is encrypted at rest in the cloud and the data is encrypted in
transit. Most people don't care... which is perhaps a large part of the
problem.
> So if I pull up Google Word through my Chrome OS start menu and I include
> my tax return information from 2009, then save the file, will it be
> automatically encrypted? Where will the file be saved? Where did the
> encryption occur? Locally or remotely on the server? If the encryption keys
> are gathered, will they work for all users of the application or just my
> document?
>
>
>
> I?m just playing devil?s advocate. There are obviously a lot of issues to
> consider, such as bandwidth constraints, licensing/service level agreements,
> etc?
>
>
>
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Shannon Roddy
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2009 12:50 PM
> *To:* general at brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
> goingto be all that great..
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White wrote:
>
>
>
> The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc?) in use can
> certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
> matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else?s data center)
> then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with that vendor
> to protect the data.
>
> The stored data can always be encrypted in the "cloud". Think FDE for the
> cloud.
>
> Personally, I am just happy to see any form of competition for M$.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
> relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
> new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
> be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>
> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
> P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
> =====================================================================================================
>
>
>
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From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:24:11 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba0907131107w6ee8770dybf02e226e89fb1ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
<8d48b6ba0907131050v50acd3bdy3f37751d21e19029@mail.gmail.com>
<8d48b6ba0907131107w6ee8770dybf02e226e89fb1ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Yeah, if we could solve the problem of caring about data security to
begin with, we'd both be rich :)
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:07 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Jarred White wrote:
That's true, but if what you're proposing is encrypting your own data
before it goes to the cloud, then you had better hope that Google Chrome
OS applications natively support encryption.
That's my point. If enough people gripe, then they'll build in support
for encryption. I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just saying it's
possible. So, the data is encrypted at rest in the cloud and the data
is encrypted in transit. Most people don't care... which is perhaps a
large part of the problem.
So if I pull up Google Word through my Chrome OS start menu and
I include my tax return information from 2009, then save the file, will
it be automatically encrypted? Where will the file be saved? Where did
the encryption occur? Locally or remotely on the server? If the
encryption keys are gathered, will they work for all users of the
application or just my document?
I'm just playing devil's advocate. There are obviously a lot of
issues to consider, such as bandwidth constraints, licensing/service
level agreements, etc...
From: general-bounces at brlug.net
[mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:50 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome
OS is goingto be all that great..
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White
wrote:
The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc...) in use
can certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of
the matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else's data
center) then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with
that vendor to protect the data.
The stored data can always be encrypted in the "cloud". Think
FDE for the cloud.
Personally, I am just happy to see any form of competition for
M$.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you
that any federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be
used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal
Revenue Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption
Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and
it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data
confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all
outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to
download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the
intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web
server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will
be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients
and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you
forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
========================================================================
=============================
_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at brlug.net
http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Mon Jul 13 13:31:36 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:31:36 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM
fest
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
*dustin suddenly does a drop kick in Mark's face*
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest
> I just goof off with IM.
........and e-mail
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy
all copies of this communication .
_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at brlug.net
http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
From MarkL at lmfj.com Mon Jul 13 13:39:55 2009
From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:39:55 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic
-Was: RE:IM fest
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Mark slaps Dustin around with a large trout.
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication .
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:32 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest
*dustin suddenly does a drop kick in Mark's face*
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest
> I just goof off with IM.
........and e-mail
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication .
_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at brlug.net
http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at brlug.net
http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
From jwhite at pncpa.com Mon Jul 13 13:42:09 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:42:09 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM
fest
In-Reply-To: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Message-ID:
Bustin' out the IRC humor there. Good show.
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:40 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest
Mark slaps Dustin around with a large trout.
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy
all copies of this communication .
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:32 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest
*dustin suddenly does a drop kick in Mark's face*
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest
> I just goof off with IM.
........and e-mail
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director
of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy
all copies of this communication .
_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at brlug.net
http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at brlug.net
http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
_______________________________________________
General mailing list
General at brlug.net
http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
=====================================================================================================
From questy at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:42:59 2009
From: questy at gmail.com (Jerald Sheets)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:42:59 -0400
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM
fest
In-Reply-To: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Message-ID: <79d511080907131142r28bf982oa6dc01504bcfe809@mail.gmail.com>
On second thought, maybe I don't want to come back to work in BTR...
---
Jerald M. Sheets jr.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
> Mark slaps Dustin around with a large trout.
>
>
>
> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
> Director of Information Technology
> 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
> www.lmfj.com
>
>
>
> This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
> intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all
> copies of this communication .
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:32 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
> RE:IM fest
>
> *dustin suddenly does a drop kick in Mark's face*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:44 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
> RE:IM fest
>
> > I just goof off with IM.
>
> ........and e-mail
>
>
> Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of
> Information Technology
> 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
> Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
> www.lmfj.com
>
>
>
> This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the
> intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all
> copies of this communication .
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at brlug.net
> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bendily at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:50:27 2009
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:50:27 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM
fest
In-Reply-To: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Message-ID:
See, this isn't nearly as funny if you're doing this over IM!
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
> Mark slaps Dustin around with a large trout.
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From sroddy at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:56:48 2009
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:56:48 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM
fest
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0907131156x48f49a5bgfbbf8018927d46b2@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Brad Bendily wrote:
> See, this isn't nearly as funny if you're doing this over IM!
But it's more fun via IRC than a mailing list.
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From MarkL at lmfj.com Mon Jul 13 14:20:52 2009
From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:20:52 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest
In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba0907131156x48f49a5bgfbbf8018927d46b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
<8d48b6ba0907131156x48f49a5bgfbbf8018927d46b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F6630754111@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
At least the people here know what IRC is. Its a dying medium!
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
[http://www.lmfj.com/images/lmfjsig.gif]
________________________________
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication .
________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 1:57 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Brad Bendily > wrote:
See, this isn't nearly as funny if you're doing this over IM!
But it's more fun via IRC than a mailing list.
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From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:31:37 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM
fest
In-Reply-To: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F6630754111@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
<8d48b6ba0907131156x48f49a5bgfbbf8018927d46b2@mail.gmail.com>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F6630754111@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Message-ID:
Isn't IRC a requirement when you're home alone and 14?
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
> At least the people here know what IRC is. Its a dying medium!
>
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Mon Jul 13 14:32:53 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:32:53 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM
fest
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
<8d48b6ba0907131156x48f49a5bgfbbf8018927d46b2@mail.gmail.com>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F6630754111@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Message-ID:
Connect to irc.dal.net and /whois applekid :(
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:32 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest
Isn't IRC a requirement when you're home alone and 14?
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
At least the people here know what IRC is. Its a dying medium!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:39:48 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:
RE:IM fest
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E027D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F663075410F@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
<8d48b6ba0907131156x48f49a5bgfbbf8018927d46b2@mail.gmail.com>
<0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F6630754111@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
Message-ID: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F6630754115@lmfjex07.lmfj.com>
not any more, now it is Myspace
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
[http://www.lmfj.com/images/lmfjsig.gif]
________________________________
This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication .
________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:32 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest
Isn't IRC a requirement when you're home alone and 14?
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark A. Lappin > wrote:
At least the people here know what IRC is. Its a dying medium!
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From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:18:04 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic
-Was:RE:IM fest
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0281@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Facebook
Get with the times!
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:40 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was:RE:IM fest
not any more, now it is Myspace
?
?
Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry
Director of Information Technology
11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778? | Mobile: 225-362-2770
www.lmfj.com
?
________________________________________
This communication is privileged and confidential.? If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication .
________________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 2:32 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Yearly "What's your IM info?" topic -Was: RE:IM fest
Isn't IRC a requirement when you're home alone and 14?
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark A. Lappin wrote:
At least the people here know what IRC is.? Its a dying medium!
From tfournet at tfour.net Mon Jul 13 16:20:18 2009
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:20:18 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
I am saying that the fact that your workstation at work is connected to the
internet makes it at least as insecure as anything else on the internet.
Are you suggesting that your data is safe just because it's stored on
machines that you bought yourself? Is your own office really more secure
than NTG? Does your office offer the same premises security as a typical
datacenter? If not, then your point about someone walking out with backup
tapes is invalid. If so, then you're either sharing that service with other
tenants, or have spent a LOT of money on security that you may not receive a
return on.
What if your own machine were to be compromised? Would you know then? I hear
cases on a regular basis from people who have had their end user devices
compromised. These could be loaded with keyloggers, botnet daemons, etc. I'm
a firm believer in dumbing down the end user device as much as possible, and
focusing on centralizing the data. If you have your data in a known
location, you can put a lot more effort into technology that secures the
central location. Desktop PCs, laptops, even phones are a wild card.
Microsoft has made a world where end users are by default administrators on
their machines and able to unwillingly install any type of malware that
comes around. If you take away a device's ability to be compromised, then
you limit the damage it can do.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> Because my personal desktop at home, or my workstation at work, connects
> to the Internet, my data is in ?the cloud?? That doesn?t make any sense. So
> because I have systems here at work where I store workpapers and documents
> and other materials related to my clients, that information is actually
> residing in the cloud? I?m not sure I agree.
>
>
>
> The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc?) in use can
> certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
> matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else?s data center)
> then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with that vendor
> to protect the data. At that point, you can only do what?s reasonable up
> until the point it reaches their systems, then it?s out of your hands. The
> type of scenario that you?re describing is already happening and there are
> already issues with outsourcing data and other IT functions in that manner.
>
>
>
> Let?s say that I have an agreement to store electronic backups with NTG
> (Venue, whatever) here in Baton Rouge. I ensure that the method of
> communication is secure and uses encryption, and that the servers performing
> the backups mutually authenticate each other. Great! What happens when
> someone walks into NTG and walks out with my blade or my tapes? There wasn?t
> much I could do to secure that data other than agree to the service level
> agreement. So now we want to take that concept and apply it to every facet
> of daily computing?
>
>
>
> Even if the application is stored in the cloud and the data resides locally
> on a hard drive or network storage device, what happens when the central
> application is modified or exploited in some way? Will we know? Can we know?
> How many people will it affect? Everyone?
>
>
>
> Bundle in all of the regulatory and governmental issues concerned with
> storage and transmission of personal data and other pieces of information,
> and you?re looking at years before something like this could be practical
> for businesses or individuals dealing with sensitive information. Only when
> the operating system (Chrome OS for instance) resides WITHIN the trusted
> computing environment does this make sense, and at that point we?re looking
> at something similar to Citrix, mainframes and dummy terminals, etc? which
> isn?t exactly a new breakthrough in computing. I guess that Citrix has been
> doing it reliably for years, but remember that the Citrix servers don?t
> reside on Citrix?s network ? they reside on your own, and you are
> responsible for securing them.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, a lot of idiots can?t even apply a simple patch or
> update once a week/month to eliminate a vulnerability. With millions of
> people out there running their own independent versions of an unpatched
> operating system, it gives attackers many more targets to hit. If updates
> and security fixes were applied to centralized applications, that would
> simplify the problem.
>
>
>
> Sorry for the rambling. I?m not saying it isn?t a great idea and that
> reducing costs isn?t a good thing, I?m just saying that simply allowing my
> data to reside elsewhere because it?s ?cheap? and ?logical? and ?the next
> step? doesn?t necessarily make it safe. Maybe I am being too paranoid, but
> that seems unlikely given the stories I read every day in the newspaper
> about identity theft and electronic data breaches. The solution doesn?t seem
> to be putting all of our eggs into one basket, but many eggs in many
> different baskets. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Fournet
> *Sent:* Monday, July 13, 2009 12:06 PM
> *To:* general at brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
> goingto be all that great..
>
>
>
> If your computer is already on the internet, then your data is already in
> the "cloud". Your trusting it to be secure just because it physically lives
> at the same place you do? Many of us use VPNs or SSL to get to data stored
> at remote facilities every day. Renting space or computing resources
> somewhere else is just a logical advancement of that idea. The benefit is
> your are able to take advantage of someone else's economies of scale to
> bring down the costs of running your own business.
>
>
>
> Consider this scenario:
>
> 10 companies. Each of these companies has two sites. They have decided to
> install a Small Business Server at each site because their local IT
> consultant told them so. Each server ran them somewhere in the neighborhood
> of $5,000 including software, licenses, and hardware. Since each site is
> running their own Exchange (SBS) Server, they must keep power and cooling
> active 24/7. They also need to dedicate a secure location in their buildings
> with adequate power and cooling to run a server. Total investment between
> all of these companies is at least $100,000 plus recurring costs of
> electricity and cooling for 20 facilities. Do these sites need guaranteed
> uptime? Battery Backups, Generators, etc? Those cost a lot.
>
>
>
> What is the average utilization of each server? They're basically all doing
> the same thing. They require a lot of computing resources because they are
> running Windows, Exchange, and all the other "features" of SBS. If you were
> running all of this out of one facility, how much equipment would it really
> take to run it? Maybe $20,000 worth? How many sets of air conditioners need
> to run? One (two for redundancy)? What about expertise? Each company would
> need to hire an IT consultant to manage all of these servers. If they were
> consolidated, then it would only take one team to manage this.
>
>
>
> That is the real benefit of "cloud" computing. Once you understand the
> technology and build a layer of trust between yourself and your provider,
> then it makes sense. You are allowing an organization that has its own
> resources and expertise to handle the job of data storage and access, and
> you focus on your real work. If you understand the nature of data then you
> know that you can make your own backups if you don't trust your provider not
> to lose your data. Your backups won't be as "available" but you'll have the
> data available if it ever came to that.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jarred White wrote:
>
> **Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my
> data is stored. How is that good for me as a business?
>
> Sorry I?m late to the party :)
>
> You said it. The security implications about something like this really
> bother me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my
> transport protocols and the level of trust between other systems I
> communicate with before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out
> there in ?the cloud.? Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment
> located out there on the public Internet? :P
>
> Having said that, I?m interested to see where this goes. Things like the
> new Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I
> think they?re most certainly the future of portable devices, I?m not so sure
> how I feel about desktop computing heading in that direction.
>
> Brad ? don?t lie, you know you use IE because you love it.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice
>
> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
>
> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
>
>
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
>
> relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
>
> new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
>
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
>
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
>
>
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
>
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
>
> be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
>
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
>
> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>
>
>
> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
>
> P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
>
> =====================================================================================================
>
>
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> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
> relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
> new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
> be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>
> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
> P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
> =====================================================================================================
>
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From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:40:09 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is goingto
be all that great..
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0244@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
<3fc325330907101516y6b241667p526c560e1bccebde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Yeah you're pretty much wrong about the workstation being connected to
the Internet bit. My patched, firewalled workstation connected to the
Internet is much better off than your unpatched, unfirewalled
workstation connected to the Internet.
Sorry, but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one
:P
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 4:20 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..
I am saying that the fact that your workstation at work is connected to
the internet makes it at least as insecure as anything else on the
internet.
Are you suggesting that your data is safe just because it's stored on
machines that you bought yourself? Is your own office really more secure
than NTG? Does your office offer the same premises security as a typical
datacenter? If not, then your point about someone walking out with
backup tapes is invalid. If so, then you're either sharing that service
with other tenants, or have spent a LOT of money on security that you
may not receive a return on.
What if your own machine were to be compromised? Would you know then? I
hear cases on a regular basis from people who have had their end user
devices compromised. These could be loaded with keyloggers, botnet
daemons, etc. I'm a firm believer in dumbing down the end user device as
much as possible, and focusing on centralizing the data. If you have
your data in a known location, you can put a lot more effort into
technology that secures the central location. Desktop PCs, laptops, even
phones are a wild card. Microsoft has made a world where end users are
by default administrators on their machines and able to unwillingly
install any type of malware that comes around. If you take away a
device's ability to be compromised, then you limit the damage it can do.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Jarred White wrote:
Because my personal desktop at home, or my workstation at work, connects
to the Internet, my data is in "the cloud?" That doesn't make any sense.
So because I have systems here at work where I store workpapers and
documents and other materials related to my clients, that information is
actually residing in the cloud? I'm not sure I agree.
The communication methods (VPN, SSL, frame relay, etc...) in use can
certainly provide for a level of trust and security, but the fact of the
matter is that when your data resides elsewhere (someone else's data
center) then you are leaving it up to your service level agreement with
that vendor to protect the data. At that point, you can only do what's
reasonable up until the point it reaches their systems, then it's out of
your hands. The type of scenario that you're describing is already
happening and there are already issues with outsourcing data and other
IT functions in that manner.
Let's say that I have an agreement to store electronic backups with NTG
(Venue, whatever) here in Baton Rouge. I ensure that the method of
communication is secure and uses encryption, and that the servers
performing the backups mutually authenticate each other. Great! What
happens when someone walks into NTG and walks out with my blade or my
tapes? There wasn't much I could do to secure that data other than agree
to the service level agreement. So now we want to take that concept and
apply it to every facet of daily computing?
Even if the application is stored in the cloud and the data resides
locally on a hard drive or network storage device, what happens when the
central application is modified or exploited in some way? Will we know?
Can we know? How many people will it affect? Everyone?
Bundle in all of the regulatory and governmental issues concerned with
storage and transmission of personal data and other pieces of
information, and you're looking at years before something like this
could be practical for businesses or individuals dealing with sensitive
information. Only when the operating system (Chrome OS for instance)
resides WITHIN the trusted computing environment does this make sense,
and at that point we're looking at something similar to Citrix,
mainframes and dummy terminals, etc... which isn't exactly a new
breakthrough in computing. I guess that Citrix has been doing it
reliably for years, but remember that the Citrix servers don't reside on
Citrix's network - they reside on your own, and you are responsible for
securing them.
On the other hand, a lot of idiots can't even apply a simple patch or
update once a week/month to eliminate a vulnerability. With millions of
people out there running their own independent versions of an unpatched
operating system, it gives attackers many more targets to hit. If
updates and security fixes were applied to centralized applications,
that would simplify the problem.
Sorry for the rambling. I'm not saying it isn't a great idea and that
reducing costs isn't a good thing, I'm just saying that simply allowing
my data to reside elsewhere because it's "cheap" and "logical" and "the
next step" doesn't necessarily make it safe. Maybe I am being too
paranoid, but that seems unlikely given the stories I read every day in
the newspaper about identity theft and electronic data breaches. The
solution doesn't seem to be putting all of our eggs into one basket, but
many eggs in many different baskets. :)
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:06 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Not everybody thingks that Chrome OS is
goingto be all that great..
If your computer is already on the internet, then your data is already
in the "cloud". Your trusting it to be secure just because it physically
lives at the same place you do? Many of us use VPNs or SSL to get to
data stored at remote facilities every day. Renting space or computing
resources somewhere else is just a logical advancement of that idea. The
benefit is your are able to take advantage of someone else's economies
of scale to bring down the costs of running your own business.
Consider this scenario:
10 companies. Each of these companies has two sites. They have decided
to install a Small Business Server at each site because their local IT
consultant told them so. Each server ran them somewhere in the
neighborhood of $5,000 including software, licenses, and hardware. Since
each site is running their own Exchange (SBS) Server, they must keep
power and cooling active 24/7. They also need to dedicate a secure
location in their buildings with adequate power and cooling to run a
server. Total investment between all of these companies is at least
$100,000 plus recurring costs of electricity and cooling for 20
facilities. Do these sites need guaranteed uptime? Battery Backups,
Generators, etc? Those cost a lot.
What is the average utilization of each server? They're basically all
doing the same thing. They require a lot of computing resources because
they are running Windows, Exchange, and all the other "features" of SBS.
If you were running all of this out of one facility, how much equipment
would it really take to run it? Maybe $20,000 worth? How many sets of
air conditioners need to run? One (two for redundancy)? What about
expertise? Each company would need to hire an IT consultant to manage
all of these servers. If they were consolidated, then it would only take
one team to manage this.
That is the real benefit of "cloud" computing. Once you understand the
technology and build a layer of trust between yourself and your
provider, then it makes sense. You are allowing an organization that has
its own resources and expertise to handle the job of data storage and
access, and you focus on your real work. If you understand the nature of
data then you know that you can make your own backups if you don't trust
your provider not to lose your data. Your backups won't be as
"available" but you'll have the data available if it ever came to that.
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Jarred White wrote:
**Additionally, I abhor the idea of me not owning the location where my
data is stored. How is that good for me as a business?
Sorry I'm late to the party :)
You said it. The security implications about something like this really
bother me. I have to be a lot more confident about the security of my
transport protocols and the level of trust between other systems I
communicate with before I feel okay with storing apps and other data out
there in "the cloud." Can you guys imagine having a Citrix environment
located out there on the public Internet? :P
Having said that, I'm interested to see where this goes. Things like the
new Palm Pre operating system and Moblin really intrigue me, and while I
think they're most certainly the future of portable devices, I'm not so
sure how I feel about desktop computing heading in that direction.
Brad - don't lie, you know you use IE because you love it.
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federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used,
and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
Code.
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Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data
confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound
emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and
others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used,
and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&N, we are committed to keeping your data
confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound
emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and
others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P&N Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
========================================================================
=============================
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Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Thu Jul 16 10:53:24 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:53:24 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
Message-ID:
Morning all. Because I didn't allocate enough space to begin with for my
Fedora VM, I needed to increase the size somehow. I figured the best way
to do this would be to add an additional SCSI HDD via VMWare.
So I added a 20G virtual drive, partitioned and made an ext3 filesystem
on it. It's /dev/sdb1. To make some space, I wanted to move /usr onto
the new sdb1 partition. So, I did the following:
cp -aR /usr/* /mnt/tmp (where I mounted sdb1)
Then I edited my fstab to include the following line:
/dev/sdb1 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2
I also backed up my existing /usr dir to /usrbak, although ideally I
guess I shouldn't need it. When I reboot, I get a whole slew of errors.
So I boot into single user mode where I'm able to take a look at
everything. df appears to show /usr mounted properly:
/dev/sdb1 20G 2.6G 17G 14% /usr
Additionally, I can use binaries from within /usr without any problem.
If I try to use 'joe', it works.
Just curious if I have forgotten some big piece that I need to make this
happen, or if I improperly copied the files over (without preserving
ownership/symlinks, but I think I did), or if my line in fstab is jacked
up. Maybe it's also an issue with vmware's logical HDD?
The good news is I snapshotted the image before I started getting all
crazy. So I can always roll back. Any thoughts?
Jarred White
Senior Consultant
Postlethwaite & Netterville, APAC
8550 United Plaza Blvd. Ste 1001
Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Direct: 225-408-4456
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Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
=====================================================================================================
From bendily at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 11:42:36 2009
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:42:36 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] nmap 5 released!
Message-ID:
At 9:00am this morning, Nmap 5 released!
Download Nmap v5 now from
http://nmap.org/
sweet!
--
Have Mercy & Say Yeah
From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Thu Jul 16 12:27:24 2009
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:27:24 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Can you show us the "slew of errors"?
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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Jarred White
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
Morning all. Because I didn't allocate enough space to begin with for my
Fedora VM, I needed to increase the size somehow. I figured the best way
to do this would be to add an additional SCSI HDD via VMWare.
So I added a 20G virtual drive, partitioned and made an ext3 filesystem
on it. It's /dev/sdb1. To make some space, I wanted to move /usr onto
the new sdb1 partition. So, I did the following:
cp -aR /usr/* /mnt/tmp (where I mounted sdb1)
Then I edited my fstab to include the following line:
/dev/sdb1 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2
I also backed up my existing /usr dir to /usrbak, although ideally I
guess I shouldn't need it. When I reboot, I get a whole slew of errors.
So I boot into single user mode where I'm able to take a look at
everything. df appears to show /usr mounted properly:
/dev/sdb1 20G 2.6G 17G 14% /usr
Additionally, I can use binaries from within /usr without any problem.
If I try to use 'joe', it works.
Just curious if I have forgotten some big piece that I need to make this
happen, or if I improperly copied the files over (without preserving
ownership/symlinks, but I think I did), or if my line in fstab is jacked
up. Maybe it's also an issue with vmware's logical HDD?
The good news is I snapshotted the image before I started getting all
crazy. So I can always roll back. Any thoughts?
Jarred White
Senior Consultant
Postlethwaite & Netterville, APAC
8550 United Plaza Blvd. Ste 1001
Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Direct: 225-408-4456
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any
federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used,
and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data
confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound
emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and
others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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=============================
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Thu Jul 16 12:48:57 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:48:57 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
Sure, I have to type them by hand though, so I'm not including as many
as I might otherwise include. This should give you an idea though.
One of the first errors that happens:
Error: cannot mount filesystem: Protocol error
Starting system logger: rsyslog runtime error(-2066): could not load
module '/usr/lib/syslog/lmnet.so', dlopen: /usr/lib/rsyslog/lmnet.so:
cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
Other errors similarly say "permission denied", so I'm guessing it's a
permissions issue. I went to /usr/lib/rsyslog from my /usrbak dir and
from within sdb1 and the permissions and ownership appear identical.
Sorry I can't paste more. Can't get copy/paste to work from my vmware
guest.
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:27 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
Can you show us the "slew of errors"?
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Jarred White
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
Morning all. Because I didn't allocate enough space to begin with for my
Fedora VM, I needed to increase the size somehow. I figured the best way
to do this would be to add an additional SCSI HDD via VMWare.
So I added a 20G virtual drive, partitioned and made an ext3 filesystem
on it. It's /dev/sdb1. To make some space, I wanted to move /usr onto
the new sdb1 partition. So, I did the following:
cp -aR /usr/* /mnt/tmp (where I mounted sdb1)
Then I edited my fstab to include the following line:
/dev/sdb1 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2
I also backed up my existing /usr dir to /usrbak, although ideally I
guess I shouldn't need it. When I reboot, I get a whole slew of errors.
So I boot into single user mode where I'm able to take a look at
everything. df appears to show /usr mounted properly:
/dev/sdb1 20G 2.6G 17G 14% /usr
Additionally, I can use binaries from within /usr without any problem.
If I try to use 'joe', it works.
Just curious if I have forgotten some big piece that I need to make this
happen, or if I improperly copied the files over (without preserving
ownership/symlinks, but I think I did), or if my line in fstab is jacked
up. Maybe it's also an issue with vmware's logical HDD?
The good news is I snapshotted the image before I started getting all
crazy. So I can always roll back. Any thoughts?
Jarred White
Senior Consultant
Postlethwaite & Netterville, APAC
8550 United Plaza Blvd. Ste 1001
Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Direct: 225-408-4456
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------
Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any
federal tax advice
contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used,
and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data
confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound
emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and
others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
========================================================================
=============================
_______________________________________________
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contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used,
for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data
Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client
relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
=====================================================================================================
From tfournet at tfour.net Thu Jul 16 13:04:03 2009
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:04:03 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
What about permissions on /usr itself?
ls -lah /
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> Sure, I have to type them by hand though, so I'm not including as many
> as I might otherwise include. This should give you an idea though.
>
> One of the first errors that happens:
>
> Error: cannot mount filesystem: Protocol error
>
> Starting system logger: rsyslog runtime error(-2066): could not load
> module '/usr/lib/syslog/lmnet.so', dlopen: /usr/lib/rsyslog/lmnet.so:
> cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
>
> Other errors similarly say "permission denied", so I'm guessing it's a
> permissions issue. I went to /usr/lib/rsyslog from my /usrbak dir and
> from within sdb1 and the permissions and ownership appear identical.
>
> Sorry I can't paste more. Can't get copy/paste to work from my vmware
> guest.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:27 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
>
> Can you show us the "slew of errors"?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Jarred White
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
>
> Morning all. Because I didn't allocate enough space to begin with for my
> Fedora VM, I needed to increase the size somehow. I figured the best way
> to do this would be to add an additional SCSI HDD via VMWare.
>
> So I added a 20G virtual drive, partitioned and made an ext3 filesystem
> on it. It's /dev/sdb1. To make some space, I wanted to move /usr onto
> the new sdb1 partition. So, I did the following:
>
> cp -aR /usr/* /mnt/tmp (where I mounted sdb1)
>
> Then I edited my fstab to include the following line:
>
> /dev/sdb1 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2
>
> I also backed up my existing /usr dir to /usrbak, although ideally I
> guess I shouldn't need it. When I reboot, I get a whole slew of errors.
> So I boot into single user mode where I'm able to take a look at
> everything. df appears to show /usr mounted properly:
>
> /dev/sdb1 20G 2.6G 17G 14% /usr
>
> Additionally, I can use binaries from within /usr without any problem.
> If I try to use 'joe', it works.
>
> Just curious if I have forgotten some big piece that I need to make this
> happen, or if I improperly copied the files over (without preserving
> ownership/symlinks, but I think I did), or if my line in fstab is jacked
> up. Maybe it's also an issue with vmware's logical HDD?
>
> The good news is I snapshotted the image before I started getting all
> crazy. So I can always roll back. Any thoughts?
>
> Jarred White
> Senior Consultant
> Postlethwaite & Netterville, APAC
> 8550 United Plaza Blvd. Ste 1001
> Baton Rouge, LA 70809
> Direct: 225-408-4456
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------
> Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any
> federal tax advice
> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used,
> and cannot be used,
> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
> Code.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------
> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
> Further Protect Confidential Data
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
> the utmost importance to our client
> relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data
> confidential which is why we are implementing
> new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound
> emails from our firm. Emails that
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
> file. This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
> recipient.
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
> Click on the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
> required to setup a password. This will
> be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and
> others, there will be a small step to
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
> confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>
> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
> password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
> P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
> ========================================================================
> =============================
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at brlug.net
> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>
>
>
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>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any
> federal tax advice
> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and
> cannot be used,
> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
> Code.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
> Further Protect Confidential Data
>
> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the
> utmost importance to our client
> relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential
> which is why we are implementing
> new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails
> from our firm. Emails that
> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
> file. This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
> recipient.
>
> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click
> on the link to download the attachment.
> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
> required to setup a password. This will
> be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others,
> there will be a small step to
> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality
> benefits far outweigh the few
> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>
> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
> password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
> P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
>
> =====================================================================================================
>
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>
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From bendily at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 13:20:32 2009
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:20:32 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
What is your default mount options for / in fstab?
you're mounting /usr with defaults, maybe it needs something else?
your copy command used -a which should include -p, but maybe for some
reason it didn't?
you could try the copy with just "-pr".
bb
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tim Fournet wrote:
> What about permissions on /usr itself?
> ls -lah /
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jarred White wrote:
>>
>> Sure, I have to type them by hand though, so I'm not including as many
>> as I might otherwise include. This should give you an idea though.
>>
>> One of the first errors that happens:
>>
>> Error: cannot mount filesystem: Protocol error
>>
>> Starting system logger: rsyslog runtime error(-2066): could not load
>> module '/usr/lib/syslog/lmnet.so', dlopen: /usr/lib/rsyslog/lmnet.so:
>> cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
>>
>> Other errors similarly say "permission denied", so I'm guessing it's a
>> permissions issue. I went to /usr/lib/rsyslog from my /usrbak dir and
>> from within sdb1 and the permissions and ownership appear identical.
>>
>> Sorry I can't paste more. Can't get copy/paste to work from my vmware
>> guest.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:27 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
>>
>> Can you show us the "slew of errors"?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Jarred White
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 AM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
>>
>> Morning all. Because I didn't allocate enough space to begin with for my
>> Fedora VM, I needed to increase the size somehow. I figured the best way
>> to do this would be to add an additional SCSI HDD via VMWare.
>>
>> So I added a 20G virtual drive, partitioned and made an ext3 filesystem
>> on it. It's /dev/sdb1. To make some space, I wanted to move /usr onto
>> the new sdb1 partition. So, I did the following:
>>
>> cp -aR /usr/* /mnt/tmp (where I mounted sdb1)
>>
>> Then I edited my fstab to include the following line:
>>
>> /dev/sdb1 ? ? ? /usr ? ?ext3 ? ?defaults ? ? ? ?1 2
>>
>> I also backed up my existing /usr dir to /usrbak, although ideally I
>> guess I shouldn't need it. When I reboot, I get a whole slew of errors.
>> So I boot into single user mode where I'm able to take a look at
>> everything. df appears to show /usr mounted properly:
>>
>> /dev/sdb1 ? ? ? 20G ? ? 2.6G ? ?17G ? ? 14% ? ? /usr
>>
>> Additionally, I can use binaries from within /usr without any problem.
>> If I try to use 'joe', it works.
>>
>> Just curious if I have forgotten some big piece that I need to make this
>> happen, or if I improperly copied the files over (without preserving
>> ownership/symlinks, but I think I did), or if my line in fstab is jacked
>> up. Maybe it's also an issue with vmware's logical HDD?
>>
>> The good news is I snapshotted the image before I started getting all
>> crazy. So I can always roll back. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Jarred White
>> Senior Consultant
>> Postlethwaite & Netterville, APAC
>> 8550 United Plaza Blvd. Ste 1001
>> Baton Rouge, LA 70809
>> Direct: 225-408-4456
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -----------------------------
>> Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any
>> federal tax advice
>> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used,
>> and cannot be used,
>> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
>> Code.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
>> Further Protect Confidential Data
>>
>> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
>> the utmost importance to our client
>> relationships. ?At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data
>> confidential which is why we are implementing
>> new email encryption software. ?This software inspects all outbound
>> emails from our firm. ?Emails that
>> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
>> file. ?This ensures that your
>> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
>> recipient.
>>
>> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
>> Click on the link to download the attachment.
>> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
>> required to setup a password. ?This will
>> be your password to access future attachments. ?For our clients and
>> others, there will be a small step to
>> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
>> confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
>> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>>
>> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
>> password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
>> P& ?Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
>> ========================================================================
>> =============================
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at brlug.net
>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at brlug.net
>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any
>> federal tax advice
>> contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and
>> cannot be used,
>> for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue
>> Code.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to
>> Further Protect Confidential Data
>>
>> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
>> the utmost importance to our client
>> relationships. ?At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential
>> which is why we are implementing
>> new email encryption software. ?This software inspects all outbound emails
>> from our firm. ?Emails that
>> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
>> file. ?This ensures that your
>> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
>> recipient.
>>
>> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. ?Click
>> on the link to download the attachment.
>> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
>> required to setup a password. ?This will
>> be your password to access future attachments. ?For our clients and
>> others, there will be a small step to
>> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
>> confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
>> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>>
>> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
>> password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
>> P& ?Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
>>
>> =====================================================================================================
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at brlug.net
>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>
>
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Thu Jul 16 13:35:22 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:35:22 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
Good question. It's 755 and root:root. /usrbak has the same, and the
perms weren't modified prior to me mv'ing it.
Brad - good question... in the examples I found through searching, most
people seemed to indicate that the defaults would be fine. The final two
columns deal with backup and fsck options. My understanding is that most
hard drives or mount points with real data should have a 1 in the first
column (since they should be backed up) and that the second column
simply deals with the order it should be fsck'ed in. I have tried it
with: 1 2, 1 1 and 1 3 with no evident change in error messages or
success :\
I can try to copy the data again with different options, it's just sort
of a PITA. I was hoping there was something obvious I'm overlooking.
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:04 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
What about permissions on /usr itself?
ls -lah /
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jarred White wrote:
Sure, I have to type them by hand though, so I'm not including as many
as I might otherwise include. This should give you an idea though.
One of the first errors that happens:
Error: cannot mount filesystem: Protocol error
Starting system logger: rsyslog runtime error(-2066): could not load
module '/usr/lib/syslog/lmnet.so', dlopen: /usr/lib/rsyslog/lmnet.so:
cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
Other errors similarly say "permission denied", so I'm guessing it's a
permissions issue. I went to /usr/lib/rsyslog from my /usrbak dir and
from within sdb1 and the permissions and ownership appear identical.
Sorry I can't paste more. Can't get copy/paste to work from my vmware
guest.
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:27 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
Can you show us the "slew of errors"?
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Jarred White
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
Morning all. Because I didn't allocate enough space to begin with for my
Fedora VM, I needed to increase the size somehow. I figured the best way
to do this would be to add an additional SCSI HDD via VMWare.
So I added a 20G virtual drive, partitioned and made an ext3 filesystem
on it. It's /dev/sdb1. To make some space, I wanted to move /usr onto
the new sdb1 partition. So, I did the following:
cp -aR /usr/* /mnt/tmp (where I mounted sdb1)
Then I edited my fstab to include the following line:
/dev/sdb1 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2
I also backed up my existing /usr dir to /usrbak, although ideally I
guess I shouldn't need it. When I reboot, I get a whole slew of errors.
So I boot into single user mode where I'm able to take a look at
everything. df appears to show /usr mounted properly:
/dev/sdb1 20G 2.6G 17G 14% /usr
Additionally, I can use binaries from within /usr without any problem.
If I try to use 'joe', it works.
Just curious if I have forgotten some big piece that I need to make this
happen, or if I improperly copied the files over (without preserving
ownership/symlinks, but I think I did), or if my line in fstab is jacked
up. Maybe it's also an issue with vmware's logical HDD?
The good news is I snapshotted the image before I started getting all
crazy. So I can always roll back. Any thoughts?
Jarred White
Senior Consultant
Postlethwaite & Netterville, APAC
8550 United Plaza Blvd. Ste 1001
Baton Rouge, LA 70809
Direct: 225-408-4456
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Thu Jul 16 13:38:33 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:38:33 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
Also just FYI the options are the same for /, /boot and just about every other entry. I used defaults because I figured it would work, but that could also be the problem. The other examples I saw had 'defaults' though as well...
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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:21 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
What is your default mount options for / in fstab?
you're mounting /usr with defaults, maybe it needs something else?
your copy command used -a which should include -p, but maybe for some
reason it didn't?
you could try the copy with just "-pr".
bb
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Tim Fournet wrote:
> What about permissions on /usr itself?
> ls -lah /
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Jarred White wrote:
>>
>> Sure, I have to type them by hand though, so I'm not including as many
>> as I might otherwise include. This should give you an idea though.
>>
>> One of the first errors that happens:
>>
>> Error: cannot mount filesystem: Protocol error
>>
>> Starting system logger: rsyslog runtime error(-2066): could not load
>> module '/usr/lib/syslog/lmnet.so', dlopen: /usr/lib/rsyslog/lmnet.so:
>> cannot open shared object file: Permission denied
>>
>> Other errors similarly say "permission denied", so I'm guessing it's a
>> permissions issue. I went to /usr/lib/rsyslog from my /usrbak dir and
>> from within sdb1 and the permissions and ownership appear identical.
>>
>> Sorry I can't paste more. Can't get copy/paste to work from my vmware
>> guest.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:27 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
>>
>> Can you show us the "slew of errors"?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Jarred White
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:53 AM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
>>
>> Morning all. Because I didn't allocate enough space to begin with for my
>> Fedora VM, I needed to increase the size somehow. I figured the best way
>> to do this would be to add an additional SCSI HDD via VMWare.
>>
>> So I added a 20G virtual drive, partitioned and made an ext3 filesystem
>> on it. It's /dev/sdb1. To make some space, I wanted to move /usr onto
>> the new sdb1 partition. So, I did the following:
>>
>> cp -aR /usr/* /mnt/tmp (where I mounted sdb1)
>>
>> Then I edited my fstab to include the following line:
>>
>> /dev/sdb1 ? ? ? /usr ? ?ext3 ? ?defaults ? ? ? ?1 2
>>
>> I also backed up my existing /usr dir to /usrbak, although ideally I
>> guess I shouldn't need it. When I reboot, I get a whole slew of errors.
>> So I boot into single user mode where I'm able to take a look at
>> everything. df appears to show /usr mounted properly:
>>
>> /dev/sdb1 ? ? ? 20G ? ? 2.6G ? ?17G ? ? 14% ? ? /usr
>>
>> Additionally, I can use binaries from within /usr without any problem.
>> If I try to use 'joe', it works.
>>
>> Just curious if I have forgotten some big piece that I need to make this
>> happen, or if I improperly copied the files over (without preserving
>> ownership/symlinks, but I think I did), or if my line in fstab is jacked
>> up. Maybe it's also an issue with vmware's logical HDD?
>>
>> The good news is I snapshotted the image before I started getting all
>> crazy. So I can always roll back. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Jarred White
>> Senior Consultant
>> Postlethwaite & Netterville, APAC
>> 8550 United Plaza Blvd. Ste 1001
>> Baton Rouge, LA 70809
>> Direct: 225-408-4456
>>
>>
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>> Further Protect Confidential Data
>>
>> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
>> the utmost importance to our client
>> relationships. ?At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data
>> confidential which is why we are implementing
>> new email encryption software. ?This software inspects all outbound
>> emails from our firm. ?Emails that
>> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
>> file. ?This ensures that your
>> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
>> recipient.
>>
>> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server.
>> Click on the link to download the attachment.
>> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
>> required to setup a password. ?This will
>> be your password to access future attachments. ?For our clients and
>> others, there will be a small step to
>> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
>> confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
>> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>>
>> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
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>> P& ?Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
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>> Further Protect Confidential Data
>>
>> Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of
>> the utmost importance to our client
>> relationships. ?At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential
>> which is why we are implementing
>> new email encryption software. ?This software inspects all outbound emails
>> from our firm. ?Emails that
>> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
>> file. ?This ensures that your
>> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
>> recipient.
>>
>> Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. ?Click
>> on the link to download the attachment.
>> The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be
>> required to setup a password. ?This will
>> be your password to access future attachments. ?For our clients and
>> others, there will be a small step to
>> download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added
>> confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
>> seconds that are required to access the attachment.
>>
>> If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your
>> password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
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relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
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From bendily at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 15:00:45 2009
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:00:45 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
I was talking about the fourth field, "fs_mntops". You currently have
"defaults" listed, but there are other options.
"defaults" should be ok, but possibly need to change it. My suse boxes
have "acl,user_xattr".
Did you say which distro this is? Are you sure mount point is correct?
You did say, you're using Fedora. I happen to have Fedora on my laptop,
the mount points in my default fstab are for volume groups:
like this:
UUID=aafdafasfxxxsdfsdf /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_root / ext4 defaults 1 2
/dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_swap swap defaults 0 0
So, maybe your mount point is not right?
Can we see your existing fstab?
and the output of
fdisk -l
bb
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> Good question. It?s 755 and root:root. /usrbak has the same, and the perms
> weren?t modified prior to me mv?ing it.
>
>
>
> Brad ? good question? in the examples I found through searching, most people
> seemed to indicate that the defaults would be fine. The final two columns
> deal with backup and fsck options. My understanding is that most hard drives
> or mount points with real data should have a 1 in the first column (since
> they should be backed up) and that the second column simply deals with the
> order it should be fsck?ed in. I have tried it with: 1 2, 1 1 and 1 3 with
> no evident change in error messages or success :\
>
From jwhite at pncpa.com Thu Jul 16 15:11:53 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:11:53 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
Here are links to screenshots since I can't copy/paste. I can also
revert and show you my states before the changes:
Current fstab. Only modification made was to add the /dev/sdb1 line:
http://tp.eblana.org/fstab.bmp
Output of fdisk -l:
http://tp.eblana.org/fdisk.bmp
I see what you mean about the logical volume location. Let me see if I
can figure out where it is within the VolGroup00 (or maybe it's in a
separate one)...
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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:01 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
I was talking about the fourth field, "fs_mntops". You currently have
"defaults" listed, but there are other options.
"defaults" should be ok, but possibly need to change it. My suse boxes
have "acl,user_xattr".
Did you say which distro this is? Are you sure mount point is correct?
You did say, you're using Fedora. I happen to have Fedora on my laptop,
the mount points in my default fstab are for volume groups:
like this:
UUID=aafdafasfxxxsdfsdf /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_root / ext4 defaults 1 2
/dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_swap swap defaults 0 0
So, maybe your mount point is not right?
Can we see your existing fstab?
and the output of
fdisk -l
bb
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> Good question. It's 755 and root:root. /usrbak has the same, and the
perms
> weren't modified prior to me mv'ing it.
>
>
>
> Brad - good question... in the examples I found through searching,
most people
> seemed to indicate that the defaults would be fine. The final two
columns
> deal with backup and fsck options. My understanding is that most hard
drives
> or mount points with real data should have a 1 in the first column
(since
> they should be backed up) and that the second column simply deals with
the
> order it should be fsck'ed in. I have tried it with: 1 2, 1 1 and 1 3
with
> no evident change in error messages or success :\
>
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relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
=====================================================================================================
From jwhite at pncpa.com Thu Jul 16 15:22:01 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:22:01 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
Here's a screenshot of lvm. I highlighted sdb1, but honestly I can't
really figure out what I might need to do here. Initialize the entity?
Wtf does that do? One thing I know it does is delete all data on the
entity. :p
http://tp.eblana.org/logvol.bmp
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:01 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
I was talking about the fourth field, "fs_mntops". You currently have
"defaults" listed, but there are other options.
"defaults" should be ok, but possibly need to change it. My suse boxes
have "acl,user_xattr".
Did you say which distro this is? Are you sure mount point is correct?
You did say, you're using Fedora. I happen to have Fedora on my laptop,
the mount points in my default fstab are for volume groups:
like this:
UUID=aafdafasfxxxsdfsdf /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
/dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_root / ext4 defaults 1 2
/dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_swap swap defaults 0 0
So, maybe your mount point is not right?
Can we see your existing fstab?
and the output of
fdisk -l
bb
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> Good question. It's 755 and root:root. /usrbak has the same, and the
perms
> weren't modified prior to me mv'ing it.
>
>
>
> Brad - good question... in the examples I found through searching,
most people
> seemed to indicate that the defaults would be fine. The final two
columns
> deal with backup and fsck options. My understanding is that most hard
drives
> or mount points with real data should have a 1 in the first column
(since
> they should be backed up) and that the second column simply deals with
the
> order it should be fsck'ed in. I have tried it with: 1 2, 1 1 and 1 3
with
> no evident change in error messages or success :\
>
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relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing
new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that
contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your
confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient.
Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment.
The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will
be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to
download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few
seconds that are required to access the attachment.
If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond,
P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600.
=====================================================================================================
From tfournet at tfour.net Thu Jul 16 15:23:05 2009
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:23:05 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID:
I see you're using LVM. The better way to accomplish more space would be to
add your additional volume to the LVM group and then you could extend the
existing partition to include the new space. This would have kept you from
having to mess around with moving files at all
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> Here are links to screenshots since I can't copy/paste. I can also
> revert and show you my states before the changes:
>
> Current fstab. Only modification made was to add the /dev/sdb1 line:
>
> http://tp.eblana.org/fstab.bmp
>
> Output of fdisk -l:
>
> http://tp.eblana.org/fdisk.bmp
>
> I see what you mean about the logical volume location. Let me see if I
> can figure out where it is within the VolGroup00 (or maybe it's in a
> separate one)...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Brad Bendily
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:01 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
>
> I was talking about the fourth field, "fs_mntops". You currently have
> "defaults" listed, but there are other options.
> "defaults" should be ok, but possibly need to change it. My suse boxes
> have "acl,user_xattr".
>
> Did you say which distro this is? Are you sure mount point is correct?
> You did say, you're using Fedora. I happen to have Fedora on my laptop,
> the mount points in my default fstab are for volume groups:
> like this:
>
> UUID=aafdafasfxxxsdfsdf /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
> /dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_root / ext4 defaults 1 2
> /dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_swap swap defaults 0 0
>
> So, maybe your mount point is not right?
> Can we see your existing fstab?
> and the output of
> fdisk -l
>
> bb
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> > Good question. It's 755 and root:root. /usrbak has the same, and the
> perms
> > weren't modified prior to me mv'ing it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad - good question... in the examples I found through searching,
> most people
> > seemed to indicate that the defaults would be fine. The final two
> columns
> > deal with backup and fsck options. My understanding is that most hard
> drives
> > or mount points with real data should have a 1 in the first column
> (since
> > they should be backed up) and that the second column simply deals with
> the
> > order it should be fsck'ed in. I have tried it with: 1 2, 1 1 and 1 3
> with
> > no evident change in error messages or success :\
> >
>
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From tfournet at tfour.net Thu Jul 16 15:25:50 2009
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:25:50 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
In-Reply-To:
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E0E0310@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
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Ah, I didn't see this email before I responded.
You want to Initialize the entity (this turns the volume into an
LVM-compatible volume)
Then, you're going to add it to your VolGroup00
Then you're going to Extend your desired LogVol to include the space that's
been made available by the new storage
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> Here's a screenshot of lvm. I highlighted sdb1, but honestly I can't
> really figure out what I might need to do here. Initialize the entity?
> Wtf does that do? One thing I know it does is delete all data on the
> entity. :p
>
> http://tp.eblana.org/logvol.bmp
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Brad Bendily
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:01 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
>
> I was talking about the fourth field, "fs_mntops". You currently have
> "defaults" listed, but there are other options.
> "defaults" should be ok, but possibly need to change it. My suse boxes
> have "acl,user_xattr".
>
> Did you say which distro this is? Are you sure mount point is correct?
> You did say, you're using Fedora. I happen to have Fedora on my laptop,
> the mount points in my default fstab are for volume groups:
> like this:
>
> UUID=aafdafasfxxxsdfsdf /boot ext3 defaults 1 2
> /dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_root / ext4 defaults 1 2
> /dev/mapper/vg_lela-lv_swap swap defaults 0 0
>
> So, maybe your mount point is not right?
> Can we see your existing fstab?
> and the output of
> fdisk -l
>
> bb
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Jarred White wrote:
> > Good question. It's 755 and root:root. /usrbak has the same, and the
> perms
> > weren't modified prior to me mv'ing it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brad - good question... in the examples I found through searching,
> most people
> > seemed to indicate that the defaults would be fine. The final two
> columns
> > deal with backup and fsck options. My understanding is that most hard
> drives
> > or mount points with real data should have a 1 in the first column
> (since
> > they should be backed up) and that the second column simply deals with
> the
> > order it should be fsck'ed in. I have tried it with: 1 2, 1 1 and 1 3
> with
> > no evident change in error messages or success :\
> >
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> new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails
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> contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the
> file. This ensures that your
> confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended
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From jwhite at pncpa.com Thu Jul 16 15:29:33 2009
From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:29:33 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
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Tim, thanks. I actually attempted to do that first, but really screwed
it up somehow so that it wouldn't even load grub the last time.
I think I'm okay up to the point where I "extend the desired LogVol to
include the space that's been made available by the new storage."
Tips on doing that? An FAQ/guide anywhere? Thanks for pointing me in the
right direction! This would /definitely/ be preferable to moving /usr in
the first place.
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 3:23 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Moving the /usr files
I see you're using LVM. The better way to accomplish more space would be
to add your additional volume to the LVM group and then you could extend
the existing partition to include the new space. This would have kept
you from having to mess around with moving files at all
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Jarred White