From krichard at ogb.state.la.us Fri May 1 09:11:16 2009 From: krichard at ogb.state.la.us (Keith M. Richard) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:11:16 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] USB serial console woes In-Reply-To: <65ef39b10904301245k130c3247yd8039fac6e754ada@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6920E6DC7017FD4AB2346F336150C49A0143D93D@SEGBPNT08.segbpnt.ogb> Joe, What device does "dmesg" show (output) when you plug in the USB cable? Also, are you root or sudo when you configure minicom because I don't think it will write the config otherwise. Once you know the dev name (i.e. ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1) try this from the console window to find the exact path to the device. `find /dev -name "ttyUSB0" -print` (NOTE: Do this command with the name given by dmesg in the quotes.) Also, just an FYI, you can get puTTY for Linux. Keith M Richard -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Joe Fruchey Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:45 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: [brlug-general] USB serial console woes Hey guys. I installed Jaunty Netbook Remix on my netbook this morning, and it's great. I want to configure Cisco switches with it. I "made" a USB console cable that I've been using under Windows, and it works great. Windows sees it as COM3, I point PuTTY at COM3 and I'm golden. Under Ubuntu, it's not working. I can see that the cable is recognized as ttyUSB0. I'm running minicom at 9600, 8N1, and pointing it at /dev/ttyUSB0. But all the screen does is flash. I press Enter and get nothing. well, on this site [http://www.cromwell-intl.com/tcpip/switch-programming.html] I see that it says to use /dev/usb/ttyUSB0. So I set it to that, and it still flashes constantly, but when I press Enter, I can see the hostname of the switch for half a second before it flashes and is gone. Interestingly, when I open minicom with the config file that points to /dev/usb/ttyUSB0, it says there's no such device. What am I doing wrong? Thanks. Joe _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From joe at fruchey.net Fri May 1 09:19:42 2009 From: joe at fruchey.net (Joe Fruchey) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:19:42 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] USB serial console woes In-Reply-To: <6920E6DC7017FD4AB2346F336150C49A0143D93D@SEGBPNT08.segbpnt.ogb> References: <65ef39b10904301245k130c3247yd8039fac6e754ada@mail.gmail.com> <6920E6DC7017FD4AB2346F336150C49A0143D93D@SEGBPNT08.segbpnt.ogb> Message-ID: <65ef39b10905010719t41618b13l4e7e885c98f38a88@mail.gmail.com> When I connect the cable, dmesg says "usb 2-2: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0" The find command lists: /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/.udev/names/ttyUSB0 I'll try PuTTY and see if I have any better luck. Thanks. And yes, I'm running minicom as root (via sudo). If you even try to run without rights, you get a "cannot access device" error immediately. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Keith M. Richard wrote: > Joe, > > ? ? ? ?What device does "dmesg" show (output) when you plug in the USB > cable? Also, are you root or sudo when you configure minicom because I > don't think it will write the config otherwise. > ? ? ? ?Once you know the dev name (i.e. ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1) try this > from the console window to find the exact path to the device. > > `find /dev -name "ttyUSB0" -print` > > (NOTE: Do this command with the name given by dmesg in the quotes.) > ? ? ? ?Also, just an FYI, you can get puTTY for Linux. > > Keith M Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On > Behalf Of Joe Fruchey > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:45 PM > To: general at brlug.net > Subject: [brlug-general] USB serial console woes > > Hey guys. > > I installed Jaunty Netbook Remix on my netbook this morning, and it's > great. > > I want to configure Cisco switches with it. I "made" a USB console > cable that I've been using under Windows, and it works great. Windows > sees it as COM3, I point PuTTY at COM3 and I'm golden. > > Under Ubuntu, it's not working. I can see that the cable is recognized > as ttyUSB0. I'm running minicom at 9600, 8N1, and pointing it at > /dev/ttyUSB0. But all the screen does is flash. I press Enter and get > nothing. well, on this site > [http://www.cromwell-intl.com/tcpip/switch-programming.html] I see > that it says to use /dev/usb/ttyUSB0. So I set it to that, and it > still flashes constantly, but when I press Enter, I can see the > hostname of the switch for half a second before it flashes and is > gone. > > Interestingly, when I open minicom with the config file that points to > /dev/usb/ttyUSB0, it says there's no such device. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks. > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > From joe at fruchey.net Fri May 1 09:25:36 2009 From: joe at fruchey.net (Joe Fruchey) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:25:36 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] USB serial console woes In-Reply-To: <65ef39b10905010719t41618b13l4e7e885c98f38a88@mail.gmail.com> References: <65ef39b10904301245k130c3247yd8039fac6e754ada@mail.gmail.com> <6920E6DC7017FD4AB2346F336150C49A0143D93D@SEGBPNT08.segbpnt.ogb> <65ef39b10905010719t41618b13l4e7e885c98f38a88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <65ef39b10905010725mc5c03e4l39b237beb09b51dd@mail.gmail.com> Update: PuTTY works perfectly, using /dev/ttyUSB0 (as would be expected). But PuTTY's not a native app, so I'd like to avoid it if I can. How can I make minicom work? On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Joe Fruchey wrote: > When I connect the cable, dmesg says "usb 2-2: pl2303 converter now > attached to ttyUSB0" > > The find command lists: > /dev/ttyUSB0 > /dev/.udev/names/ttyUSB0 > > I'll try PuTTY and see if I have any better luck. > > Thanks. > > And yes, I'm running minicom as root (via sudo). If you even try to > run without rights, you get a "cannot access device" error > immediately. > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Keith M. Richard > wrote: >> Joe, >> >> ? ? ? ?What device does "dmesg" show (output) when you plug in the USB >> cable? Also, are you root or sudo when you configure minicom because I >> don't think it will write the config otherwise. >> ? ? ? ?Once you know the dev name (i.e. ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1) try this >> from the console window to find the exact path to the device. >> >> `find /dev -name "ttyUSB0" -print` >> >> (NOTE: Do this command with the name given by dmesg in the quotes.) >> ? ? ? ?Also, just an FYI, you can get puTTY for Linux. >> >> Keith M Richard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On >> Behalf Of Joe Fruchey >> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:45 PM >> To: general at brlug.net >> Subject: [brlug-general] USB serial console woes >> >> Hey guys. >> >> I installed Jaunty Netbook Remix on my netbook this morning, and it's >> great. >> >> I want to configure Cisco switches with it. I "made" a USB console >> cable that I've been using under Windows, and it works great. Windows >> sees it as COM3, I point PuTTY at COM3 and I'm golden. >> >> Under Ubuntu, it's not working. I can see that the cable is recognized >> as ttyUSB0. I'm running minicom at 9600, 8N1, and pointing it at >> /dev/ttyUSB0. But all the screen does is flash. I press Enter and get >> nothing. well, on this site >> [http://www.cromwell-intl.com/tcpip/switch-programming.html] I see >> that it says to use /dev/usb/ttyUSB0. So I set it to that, and it >> still flashes constantly, but when I press Enter, I can see the >> hostname of the switch for half a second before it flashes and is >> gone. >> >> Interestingly, when I open minicom with the config file that points to >> /dev/usb/ttyUSB0, it says there's no such device. >> >> What am I doing wrong? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Tue May 5 12:37:46 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:37:46 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] openSUSE Users Louisiana - Interested in workingtogether Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AB06@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Would you be the ambassador then? -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:21 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: [brlug-general] openSUSE Users Louisiana - Interested in workingtogether Greetings members of Baton Rouge LUG! I'm Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy (or just Kevin Yeaux, whichever you prefer :-)), a member of the openSUSE Project based out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Last year, I and a number of others started a Local User Group initiative inside the openSUSE Project. What we're doing, instead of creating individual organizations like Ubuntu w/ the LoCo projects, is working to simply have an openSUSE "Ambassador" or two (the naming isn't final yet, we're still working on several details of the program, which won't really affect our relations) at local Linux User Groups, thus having a de-facto openSUSE User Group without splitting out from the main local organization. We've had a wiki page for openSUSE Users Louisiana up for some time, and I've gotten several requests for information from people just recently into joining the org., which is why I've placed sending this email and begin relations into working with the BRLUG onto the front burner :-). Just so we're clear, what we'd be doing is we'd have an "ambassador"-like figure on the openSUSE side of things, which would work with the openSUSE Project to introduce new people (openSUSE users, primarily) into this organization, but to ya'll (the BRLUG) the Ambassador would be just another member of the group. Interested in hearing your comments, questions and concerns. Let me introduce myself, BTW. I began using Linux in 2003, and was using it on and off until 2005 when I made the switch. I became involved with the openSUSE Project shortly after it's launch in 2005 and mainly work in several areas: bug testing (which is just kinda standard for most members ;-) ), marketing and promotional materials, and the Artwork team (by opening up the previously closed team into the community for involvement). -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= From kevin.dupuy at opensuse.org Tue May 5 16:00:30 2009 From: kevin.dupuy at opensuse.org (Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:00:30 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] openSUSE Users Louisiana - Interested in workingtogether In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AB06@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AB06@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Message-ID: <1241557230.4723.0.camel@linux-0uq7.site> On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 12:37 -0500, Dustin Puryear wrote: > Would you be the ambassador then? For the foreseeable future, yes :-). -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Tue May 5 16:03:59 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:03:59 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] openSUSE Users Louisiana - Interested in workingtogether Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AB17@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Well, GREAT! ;-) -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:01 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] openSUSE Users Louisiana - Interested in workingtogether On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 12:37 -0500, Dustin Puryear wrote: > Would you be the ambassador then? For the foreseeable future, yes :-). -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= From MarkL at lmfj.com Thu May 7 10:35:33 2009 From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:35:33 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox Optical Internet & Phones Message-ID: <0227B653B3DC82438B8291BC5218612F6623BA851D@lmfjex07.lmfj.com> Is anybody using Cox Optical Internet, Metro Ethernet and/or phones. If you are I'd very much like to get your opinion of these services offered by Cox or if you had these services and went back. Mark Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Thu May 7 11:39:20 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:39:20 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox Optical Internet & Phones Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AB78@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Heck, I'd like to know too.. -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:36 AM To: 'general at brlug.net'; 'General Discussion List'; 'discuss at br-issa.org' Subject: [brlug-general] Cox Optical Internet & Phones Is anybody using Cox Optical Internet, Metro Ethernet and/or phones. If you are I'd very much like to get your opinion of these services offered by Cox or if you had these services and went back. Mark Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= From besquivel at immense.net Thu May 7 11:35:04 2009 From: besquivel at immense.net (Bret Esquivel) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:35:04 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] Cox Optical Internet & Phones In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AB78@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AB78@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Message-ID: <5C737F5E361D6F4181CD7F60255DF01D1FDA548149@exch01.mail.immense.net> I have a client that has a 10 Mbps Metro-E from Cox. When it works, it works. However, within the first month of having the service, we encountered a fiber cut, and failed Cox hardware... Bret Esquivel, MCSE, CCNA President | Immense Networks Office:??? 225.754.9005 Fax:???????? 225.454.6485 Mobile:? 504.301.7413 9654 Brookline Avenue | Suite 200 Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70809 http://www.immense.net/ -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 11:39 AM To: general at brlug.net; General Discussion List; discuss at br-issa.org Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Cox Optical Internet & Phones Heck, I'd like to know too.. -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Mark A. Lappin Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:36 AM To: 'general at brlug.net'; 'General Discussion List'; 'discuss at br-issa.org' Subject: [brlug-general] Cox Optical Internet & Phones Is anybody using Cox Optical Internet, Metro Ethernet and/or phones. If you are I'd very much like to get your opinion of these services offered by Cox or if you had these services and went back. Mark Mark A. Lappin, CCNA, MCSE:Security | Lee Michaels Fine Jewelry Director of Information Technology 11314 Cloverland Ave | Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Ph: 225.291.9094 ext 245 | Fax: 225-291-5778 | Mobile: 225-362-2770 www.lmfj.com This communication is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this communication . _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From mat.branyon at gmail.com Thu May 7 13:31:16 2009 From: mat.branyon at gmail.com (mat branyon) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:31:16 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation Message-ID: I am building a server that hosts multiple services, one of which is near real time (HD video on demand). The server is a dell 2950 with a dual port intel nic in it. I'd like to have one port set up for vod, and the other set up for all of the other services. both ports need to be set up to be on the same subnet. Is there a way to ensure that data sent to the ip on port one returns from the same port? currently, i am getting a lot of crossover, ie, i make a request for vod on eth3, and it gets returned through eth2... does this make any sense? any suggestions? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tfournet at tfour.net Thu May 7 13:48:55 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:48:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <13544824.1491241722133048.JavaMail.tfournet@aspen-ubuntu> As long as your application is binding to an IP address and not creating reverse sessions, then I don't see how this could happen. What are you testing with that leads you to believe that you're getting traffic from another interface? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mat branyon" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 1:31:16 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation I am building a server that hosts multiple services, one of which is near real time (HD video on demand). The server is a dell 2950 with a dual port intel nic in it. I'd like to have one port set up for vod, and the other set up for all of the other services. both ports need to be set up to be on the same subnet. Is there a way to ensure that data sent to the ip on port one returns from the same port? currently, i am getting a lot of crossover, ie, i make a request for vod on eth3, and it gets returned through eth2... does this make any sense? any suggestions? _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From mat.branyon at gmail.com Thu May 7 14:04:19 2009 From: mat.branyon at gmail.com (mat) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 19:04:19 +0000 Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation Message-ID: <771358032-1241723063-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-850049692-@bxe1060.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Iptraf ------Original Message------ From: Tim Fournet Sender: general-bounces at brlug.net To: general at brlug.net ReplyTo: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] network service segregation Sent: May 7, 2009 12:48 PM As long as your application is binding to an IP address and not creating reverse sessions, then I don't see how this could happen. What are you testing with that leads you to believe that you're getting traffic from another interface? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mat branyon" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 1:31:16 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation I am building a server that hosts multiple services, one of which is near real time (HD video on demand). The server is a dell 2950 with a dual port intel nic in it. I'd like to have one port set up for vod, and the other set up for all of the other services. both ports need to be set up to be on the same subnet. Is there a way to ensure that data sent to the ip on port one returns from the same port? currently, i am getting a lot of crossover, ie, i make a request for vod on eth3, and it gets returned through eth2... does this make any sense? any suggestions? _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From tfournet at tfour.net Thu May 7 14:17:10 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:17:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation In-Reply-To: <6942475.1531241723189214.JavaMail.tfournet@aspen-ubuntu> Message-ID: <8652434.1551241723826122.JavaMail.tfournet@aspen-ubuntu> from the machine it's running on, or an external host? It might be that iptraf is going by the driver, and since both nics have the same driver, it's not being accurate. If you can sniff the traffic on the receiving host and sort by mac address, that might tell you for sure ----- Original Message ----- From: "mat" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 2:04:19 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [brlug-general] network service segregation Iptraf ------Original Message------ From: Tim Fournet Sender: general-bounces at brlug.net To: general at brlug.net ReplyTo: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] network service segregation Sent: May 7, 2009 12:48 PM As long as your application is binding to an IP address and not creating reverse sessions, then I don't see how this could happen. What are you testing with that leads you to believe that you're getting traffic from another interface? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mat branyon" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2009 1:31:16 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation I am building a server that hosts multiple services, one of which is near real time (HD video on demand). The server is a dell 2950 with a dual port intel nic in it. I'd like to have one port set up for vod, and the other set up for all of the other services. both ports need to be set up to be on the same subnet. Is there a way to ensure that data sent to the ip on port one returns from the same port? currently, i am getting a lot of crossover, ie, i make a request for vod on eth3, and it gets returned through eth2... does this make any sense? any suggestions? _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From ray at ops.selu.edu Fri May 8 10:51:10 2009 From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:51:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes it makes sense. You vod app needs to support setting the source interface, or source address. Look and see if it has that option. For instance, the ping command supports this with the -I option. ray On Thu, 7 May 2009, mat branyon wrote: > currently, i am getting a lot of crossover, ie, i make a request for vod on > eth3, and it gets returned through eth2... > > does this make any sense? any suggestions? > -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ray DeJean http://www.r-a-y.org Systems Engineer Southeastern Louisiana University IBM Certified Specialist AIX Administration, AIX Support =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mat.branyon at gmail.com Fri May 8 11:07:54 2009 From: mat.branyon at gmail.com (mat branyon) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:07:54 -0600 Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The problem is that it is "supported", meaning that there is an option in the configuration that it completely ignores... I have been doing some packet captures and ahve been seeing some very odd crosstalk over the interfaces, ie: while running wireshark on interface a, i see a few packets sent from the ipaddr on interface 2 to a foreign ipaddr. I have no idea why I am seeing this... On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:51 AM, -ray wrote: > > Yes it makes sense. You vod app needs to support setting the source > interface, or source address. Look and see if it has that option. For > instance, the ping command supports this with the -I option. > > > ray > > On Thu, 7 May 2009, mat branyon wrote: > > > currently, i am getting a lot of crossover, ie, i make a request for vod > on > > eth3, and it gets returned through eth2... > > > > does this make any sense? any suggestions? > > > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Ray DeJean http://www.r-a-y.org > Systems Engineer Southeastern Louisiana University > IBM Certified Specialist AIX Administration, AIX Support > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > _______________________________________________ > General mailing list > General at brlug.net > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ray at ops.selu.edu Fri May 8 11:33:16 2009 From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:33:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [brlug-general] network service segregation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What were the ports on those packets? That might help you identify what app they came from... I've done what you're doing before and will say i've ran into issues. When you have two IP addresses on the same subnet assigned to different physical interfaces, you may have issues like this due to the overlapping subnets. I've done it with Linux routers before, but 3com and Cisco routers won't let you do it at all. You'll get an error something along the lines of: "Address 192.168.2.2 overlaps with interface g1/0/2!!" Unless you can control the source interface of every network app on the system, you may see packets coming out of the wrong interface. When the kernel has two routes on different interfaces but to the same place, it just picks one. I seem to remember it make pick the lowest numbered interface, or perhaps the lowest IP address. ray On Fri, 8 May 2009, mat branyon wrote: > The problem is that it is "supported", meaning that there is an option in > the configuration that it completely ignores... > > I have been doing some packet captures and ahve been seeing some very odd > crosstalk over the interfaces, ie: > while running wireshark on interface a, i see a few packets sent from the > ipaddr on interface 2 to a foreign ipaddr. I have no idea why I am seeing > this... > > On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:51 AM, -ray wrote: > >> >> Yes it makes sense. You vod app needs to support setting the source >> interface, or source address. Look and see if it has that option. For >> instance, the ping command supports this with the -I option. >> >> >> ray >> >> On Thu, 7 May 2009, mat branyon wrote: >> >>> currently, i am getting a lot of crossover, ie, i make a request for vod >> on >>> eth3, and it gets returned through eth2... >>> >>> does this make any sense? any suggestions? >>> >> >> -- >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> Ray DeJean http://www.r-a-y.org >> Systems Engineer Southeastern Louisiana University >> IBM Certified Specialist AIX Administration, AIX Support >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> General mailing list >> General at brlug.net >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net >> > -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ray DeJean http://www.r-a-y.org Systems Engineer Southeastern Louisiana University IBM Certified Specialist AIX Administration, AIX Support =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From jwhite at pncpa.com Fri May 8 14:49:29 2009 From: jwhite at pncpa.com (Jarred White) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:49:29 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] Xubuntu and OpenVAS Message-ID: I'm trying to get OpenVAS setup on Xubuntu. The easiest method is just to use apt to pull in the packages, but for some reason the server package seems to neglect openvas-plugins. Has anyone messed with OpenVAS, specifically with Ubuntu or Ubuntu-type flavors? I figured I could download the openvas-plugins source and just compile it, but our stupid websense blocks me :\ Thoughts? 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The easiest method is just to use apt to pull in the packages, but for some reason the server package seems to neglect openvas-plugins. Has anyone messed with OpenVAS, specifically with Ubuntu or Ubuntu-type flavors? I figured I could download the openvas-plugins source and just compile it, but our stupid websense blocks me :\ Thoughts? Jarred White Senior Consultant Postlethwaite & Netterville, APAC 8550 United Plaza Blvd. Ste 1001 Baton Rouge, LA 70809 Direct: 225-408-4456 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pursuant to IRS Circular 230 and IRS regulations we inform you that any federal tax advice contained in this communication is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of avoiding penalties imposed under the Internal Revenue Code. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Postlethwaite & Netterville Implements New Email Encryption Software to Further Protect Confidential Data Confidentiality is a hallmark of the accounting profession and it is of the utmost importance to our client relationships. At P&,, we are committed to keeping your data confidential which is why we are implementing new email encryption software. This software inspects all outbound emails from our firm. Emails that contain attachments will require you to enter a password to download the file. This ensures that your confidential data cannot be read by anyone other than the intended recipient. Emails with attachments will include a link to a secure web server. Click on the link to download the attachment. The first time you receive a secure email from the firm you will be required to setup a password. This will be your password to access future attachments. For our clients and others, there will be a small step to download the encrypted files; however, we believe the added confidentiality benefits far outweigh the few seconds that are required to access the attachment. If you have questions regarding this new process or if you forget your password, please contact Jessica Aymond, P& Network Administrator, at 225.922.4600. ===================================================================================================== From cameronclan8 at gmail.com Fri May 15 19:11:59 2009 From: cameronclan8 at gmail.com (melissa cameron) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:11:59 -0400 Subject: [brlug-general] MiserWare MicroMiser Beta Invite Message-ID: <1bbc7180905151711v461a89cajccc6fcc90cc7f9d5@mail.gmail.com> All: I apologize for the spam, but I am part of a small start-up founded by LSU alumni and we wanted to make sure the Baton Rouge Linux community was aware of our MiserWare MicroMiser beta program. We also wanted to ask for your help getting feedback on our software. MicroMiser is a cutting-edge userland daemon that can reduce the energy consumption of your AMD or Intel-based Linux system up to 35% without turning your machine off and with no noticeable performance loss. Participation in the beta is totally free, and you will also be given the chance to refer others and earn prizes. To join, just send an email to beta at miserware.com requesting an invite. Thanks, Melissa Cameron MiserWare, Inc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Mon May 18 10:38:04 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:38:04 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] MiserWare MicroMiser Beta Invite Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AC28@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Sounds cool. Maybe you guys would like to have a presentation with BRLUG about the mechanics of how this all works. ________________________________ From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of melissa cameron Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:12 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: [brlug-general] MiserWare MicroMiser Beta Invite All: I apologize for the spam, but I am part of a small start-up founded by LSU alumni and we wanted to make sure the Baton Rouge Linux community was aware of our MiserWare MicroMiser beta program. We also wanted to ask for your help getting feedback on our software. MicroMiser is a cutting-edge userland daemon that can reduce the energy consumption of your AMD or Intel-based Linux system up to 35% without turning your machine off and with no noticeable performance loss. Participation in the beta is totally free, and you will also be given the chance to refer others and earn prizes. To join, just send an email to beta at miserware.com requesting an invite. Thanks, Melissa Cameron MiserWare, Inc. -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sroddy at gmail.com Mon May 18 16:07:37 2009 From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:07:37 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] MiserWare MicroMiser Beta Invite In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AC28@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AC28@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Message-ID: <8d48b6ba0905181407i736d6e0cvd88afca506a91faa@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote: > Sounds cool. Maybe you guys would like to have a presentation with BRLUG > about the mechanics of how this all works. > > That would assume that we actually had meetings. From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Tue May 19 10:12:10 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:12:10 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] MiserWare MicroMiser Beta Invite Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AC61@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Well, sure, you could RELY ON FACTS, but I prefer to do otherwise. So there! -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Shannon Roddy Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:08 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] MiserWare MicroMiser Beta Invite On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote: > Sounds cool. Maybe you guys would like to have a presentation with BRLUG > about the mechanics of how this all works. > > That would assume that we actually had meetings. _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net -- This message was scanned by ESVA and is believed to be clean. Click here to report this message as spam. http://esva.puryear-it.com/cgi-bin/learn-msg.cgi?id= From georgia.tech.swagger at gmail.com Tue May 19 19:37:56 2009 From: georgia.tech.swagger at gmail.com (georgia_tech_swagger) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:37:56 -0400 Subject: [brlug-general] Southeast Linuxfest Message-ID: Howdy. I am the speaker coordinator for the Southeast Linuxfest, and I'm just making the rounds to give the community at large a final heads up on the Southeast Linuxfest, and recruit volunteers. What is the Southeast Linuxfest? The SouthEast LinuxFest is a community event for anyone who wants to learn more about Linux and Free & Open Source software. It is part educational conference, and part social gathering. Like Linux itself, it is shared with attendees of all skill levels to communicate tips, ideas, and to benefit all who use Linux/Free and Open Source Software. LinuxFest is the place to learn, to make new friends, to network with new business partners, and most importantly, to have fun! So no longer do you need to drive to Ohio for OLF or Los Angelos for SCaLE. We're bringing back the spirit of the old Atlanta Linux Showcase, and making sure that there will once again be a major Linux event in the GNU/South indefinitely. Our first annual event will be June 13th, at Hendrix Student Center on the campus of Clemson University, Clemson, SC. Doors open to the public at 8:30 AM, and "officially" close at 6:00 PM. There will be a pre-party at 8:00 PM June 12th, and a post-party after the event June 13th. Our speaker lineup includes: Keith Bergelt; Open Invention Network Joe "Zonker" Brockmeier; OpenSuse Russell Bryant; Digium Greg DeKoenigsberg; Red Hat Chris DiBona; Google Paul Frields; Fedora Ian Geiser; The KDE Project Ryan "Icculus" Gordon; The Linux Games Industry Pete Graner; Canonical/Ubuntu Michelle and Michael Hall; QuinnCo / Qimo Alan Hicks; Slackware D. Richard Hipp; SQLite, CVSTrac, Fossil Brian Leonard; Sun Microsystems Semmy Purewal; College of Charleston Clint Savage; Fedora Wendy Seltzer; EFF Mark Spencer; Digium Richard Weait; OpenStreetMap Chad Wollenberg; Linux Basement Robby Workman; Slackware We will need volunteers to do everything from registration to shuttle service to and from major airports for our speakers. If you are interested in helping out, please reply back. SELF is *free* to attend, though an optional support package with t-shirt and drink tickets is available. Sign up to attend today at http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org ----------------------- Jeremy Sands Speaker Coordinator Southeast Linuxfest Linux in the GNU/South -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Tue May 26 13:34:55 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:34:55 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AD44@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Nifty! -----Original Message----- From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of B. Estrade Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:30 AM To: nolug at nolug.org Subject: Re: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 08:29:07PM -0500, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/plugging-in-to-the-uses-of-40-c omputers/ Can you image a Beowulf cluster of those? ;) Brett ___________________ Nolug mailing list nolug at nolug.org From tfournet at tfour.net Tue May 26 14:14:08 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:14:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AD44@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Message-ID: <25818759.81243365244220.JavaMail.tfournet@aspen-ubuntu> USB monitors (video cards) are just about working in Linux, so that would be kinda neat Speaking of cheap Linux machines, I got my $199 Dell Vostra A90 (same as a mini9) in, and this thing is great for carrying around. Since GNOME and KDE support custom DPI settings, just make the fonts tiny and you basically have a miniaturized, but fully useful, workstation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dustin Puryear" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:34:55 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware Nifty! -----Original Message----- From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of B. Estrade Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:30 AM To: nolug at nolug.org Subject: Re: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 08:29:07PM -0500, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/plugging-in-to-the-uses-of-40-c omputers/ Can you image a Beowulf cluster of those? ;) Brett ___________________ Nolug mailing list nolug at nolug.org _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Tue May 26 14:29:43 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:29:43 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AD46@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> I assume you've given it a nickname, like "Smalls" or something? -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Tim Fournet Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:14 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware USB monitors (video cards) are just about working in Linux, so that would be kinda neat Speaking of cheap Linux machines, I got my $199 Dell Vostra A90 (same as a mini9) in, and this thing is great for carrying around. Since GNOME and KDE support custom DPI settings, just make the fonts tiny and you basically have a miniaturized, but fully useful, workstation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dustin Puryear" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:34:55 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware Nifty! -----Original Message----- From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of B. Estrade Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:30 AM To: nolug at nolug.org Subject: Re: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 08:29:07PM -0500, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/plugging-in-to-the-uses-of-40-c omputers/ Can you image a Beowulf cluster of those? ;) Brett ___________________ Nolug mailing list nolug at nolug.org _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From tfournet at tfour.net Tue May 26 14:36:45 2009 From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:36:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08AD46@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Message-ID: <7267349.121243366602687.JavaMail.tfournet@aspen-ubuntu> the hostname is "mynock" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dustin Puryear" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:29:43 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware I assume you've given it a nickname, like "Smalls" or something? -----Original Message----- From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Tim Fournet Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:14 PM To: general at brlug.net Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware USB monitors (video cards) are just about working in Linux, so that would be kinda neat Speaking of cheap Linux machines, I got my $199 Dell Vostra A90 (same as a mini9) in, and this thing is great for carrying around. Since GNOME and KDE support custom DPI settings, just make the fonts tiny and you basically have a miniaturized, but fully useful, workstation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dustin Puryear" To: general at brlug.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 1:34:55 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware Nifty! -----Original Message----- From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of B. Estrade Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:30 AM To: nolug at nolug.org Subject: Re: [Nolug] interesting bit of hardware On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 08:29:07PM -0500, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/plugging-in-to-the-uses-of-40-c omputers/ Can you image a Beowulf cluster of those? ;) Brett ___________________ Nolug mailing list nolug at nolug.org _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net _______________________________________________ General mailing list General at brlug.net http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net From dpuryear at puryear-it.com Sun May 31 20:52:02 2009 From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear) Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:52:02 -0500 Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] Home made 8-bit CPU (uses hand wrapped wires!?) Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E08ADD4@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> Okay, this is pretty cool. Alvaro, get to work! -----Original Message----- From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis J Harrison Jr Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:48 AM To: nolug at nolug.org Subject: [Nolug] Home made 8-bit CPU (uses hand wrapped wires!?) Much respect for this man's hobby :) http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/category/bmow1/ ___________________ Nolug mailing list nolug at nolug.org