From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Tue Mar  2 08:13:33 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 08:13:33 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Perhaps Open Source is dangerous..
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763AF@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Open Source is the enemy of the State, no?

 

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/58042

 

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From sroddy at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 09:16:08 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:16:08 +1800
Subject: [brlug-general] Perhaps Open Source is dangerous..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763AF@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763AF@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
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Don't feed the troll.  :P

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>wrote:

>  Open Source is the enemy of the State, no?
>
>
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/58042
>
>
>
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From tfournet at tfour.net  Tue Mar  2 09:23:46 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:23:46 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Perhaps Open Source is dangerous..
In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba1003020716h8b16ed5jdd672893c0822c68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763AF@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
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My thoughts exactly.

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Shannon Roddy <sroddy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't feed the troll.  :P
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Tue Mar  2 14:22:14 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:22:14 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Perhaps Open Source is dangerous..
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763AF@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<8d48b6ba1003020716h8b16ed5jdd672893c0822c68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763CF@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Wait.

 

You are the troll!

 

Or is that the weakest link?

 

You are the weakest link!

 

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Shannon Roddy
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:16 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Perhaps Open Source is dangerous..

 

Don't feed the troll.  :P

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
wrote:

Open Source is the enemy of the State, no?

 

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/58042

 

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar  3 08:37:59 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:37:59 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] US cybersecurity plan
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F1@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Has anyone read this yet?

 

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/us-declassifies-part-of-secret-
cybersecurity-plan/

 

Apparently the US declassified a good part of it's "Secret Cybersecurity
Plan", including discussions on IDS' to be deployed. A good read. 

 

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar  3 08:48:31 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F2@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Now, this may be a good idea:

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_huma
n_rights_bill.html

 

The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on
U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and
violate human rights."

 

Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies
from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put
our companies at a long-term disadvantage?

 

Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that
operates in the US.

 

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar  3 09:13:42 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:13:42 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F2@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

The more I think of this, the more I wonder. It makes a good statement,
but does it put US companies at a very big disadvantage globally?

 

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:49 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

 

Now, this may be a good idea:

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_huma
n_rights_bill.html

 

The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on
U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and
violate human rights."

 

Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies
from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put
our companies at a long-term disadvantage?

 

Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that
operates in the US.

 

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From keiths at neill.net  Wed Mar  3 09:17:09 2010
From: keiths at neill.net (Keith Stokes)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:17:09 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F2@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <B466BD02-16D5-403E-BAAA-F5B299CBBF2D@neill.net>

I would say that it does, but the bigger question is what's the  
"right" answer?  "Make the world a better place" or "make more money"?

On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> The more I think of this, the more I wonder. It makes a good  
> statement, but does it put US companies at a very big disadvantage  
> globally?
>
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> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]  
> On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:49 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
> Now, this may be a good idea:
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html
>
> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on  
> U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments  
> and violate human rights."
>
> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US  
> companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So  
> would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>
> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company  
> that operates in the US.
>
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From tfournet at tfour.net  Wed Mar  3 09:50:19 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:50:19 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <B466BD02-16D5-403E-BAAA-F5B299CBBF2D@neill.net>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F2@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<B466BD02-16D5-403E-BAAA-F5B299CBBF2D@neill.net>
Message-ID: <a05b10c1003030750q11dd0cd3qdddfc9151a6a2116@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see where it bans companies from doing business in China, just where
it imposes penalties on companies who violate human rights.
So--
Opening a hamburger stand in China - OK
Installing listening devices in your hamburger stand and handing the tapes
over to the Chinese government - Not so much.



On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Keith Stokes <keiths at neill.net> wrote:

> I would say that it does, but the bigger question is what's the "right"
> answer?  "Make the world a better place" or "make more money"?
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
> The more I think of this, the more I wonder. It makes a good statement, but
> does it put US companies at a very big disadvantage globally?
>
> ---
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>
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net<general-bounces at brlug.net>
> ] *On Behalf Of *Dustin Puryear
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:49 AM
> *To:* general at brlug.net
> *Subject:* [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
> Now, this may be a good idea:
>
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html
>
> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S.
> Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate
> human rights."
>
> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies
> from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our
> companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>
> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that
> operates in the US.
>
> ---
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar  3 10:11:25 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 10:11:25 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F2@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><B466BD02-16D5-403E-BAAA-F5B299CBBF2D@neill.net>
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Filtering out results on the order of China..

 

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:50 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

 

I don't see where it bans companies from doing business in China, just
where it imposes penalties on companies who violate human rights. 
So--
Opening a hamburger stand in China - OK
Installing listening devices in your hamburger stand and handing the
tapes over to the Chinese government - Not so much.




On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Keith Stokes <keiths at neill.net> wrote:

I would say that it does, but the bigger question is what's the "right"
answer?  "Make the world a better place" or "make more money"?

 

On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

 

	The more I think of this, the more I wonder. It makes a good
statement, but does it put US companies at a very big disadvantage
globally?

	 

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	From: general-bounces at brlug.net
[mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
	Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:49 AM
	To: general at brlug.net
	Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

	 

	Now, this may be a good idea:

	 

	
http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_huma
n_rights_bill.html

	 

	The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil
penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign
governments and violate human rights."

	 

	Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US
companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would
this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?

	 

	Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company
that operates in the US.

	 

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From tfournet at tfour.net  Wed Mar  3 11:03:52 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:03:52 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176402@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
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	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<B466BD02-16D5-403E-BAAA-F5B299CBBF2D@neill.net>
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I guess what then gets confusing is, does Google pull out of China and thus
provide the people with zero search results? Or stay in, and hope that the
users stay one step ahead of the censors?
I think either way they contribute a little bit to the oppression, but which
is the lesser evil? I'm not sure myself


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>wrote:

>  Filtering out results on the order of China..
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Fournet
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:50 AM
> *To:* general at brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
>
> I don't see where it bans companies from doing business in China, just
> where it imposes penalties on companies who violate human rights.
> So--
> Opening a hamburger stand in China - OK
> Installing listening devices in your hamburger stand and handing the tapes
> over to the Chinese government - Not so much.
>
>
>  On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Keith Stokes <keiths at neill.net> wrote:
>
> I would say that it does, but the bigger question is what's the "right"
> answer?  "Make the world a better place" or "make more money"?
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
>
>
>    The more I think of this, the more I wonder. It makes a good statement,
> but does it put US companies at a very big disadvantage globally?
>
>
>
> ---
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>
>
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net<general-bounces at brlug.net>
> ] *On Behalf Of *Dustin Puryear
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:49 AM
> *To:* general at brlug.net
> *Subject:* [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
>
> Now, this may be a good idea:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html
>
>
>
> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S.
> Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate
> human rights."
>
>
>
> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies
> from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our
> companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>
>
>
> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that
> operates in the US.
>
>
>
> ---
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>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
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From karthik at poobal.net  Wed Mar  3 11:05:37 2010
From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobalasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:05:37 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176402@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F2@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1763F8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><B466BD02-16D5-403E-BAAA-F5B299CBBF2D@neill.net>
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According to CIA word fact book China has around 300 Million internet users. That probably 25% of china's population with tremendous expansion potential. Entire US population is around 300 Million.  Recently, China has invested a lot of money developing its infrastructure to accommodate in country R&D. Given all this, if there is a restrictive law that penalizes US based companies for obeying laws in other countries, isn't it easier for companies to pull out of US and move their operations to China? Hasn't this happened to manufacturing sector already?  

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On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> Filtering out results on the order of China..
>  
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>  
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:50 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>  
> I don't see where it bans companies from doing business in China, just where it imposes penalties on companies who violate human rights. 
> So--
> Opening a hamburger stand in China - OK
> Installing listening devices in your hamburger stand and handing the tapes over to the Chinese government - Not so much.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Keith Stokes <keiths at neill.net> wrote:
> I would say that it does, but the bigger question is what's the "right" answer?  "Make the world a better place" or "make more money"?
>  
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>  
> The more I think of this, the more I wonder. It makes a good statement, but does it put US companies at a very big disadvantage globally?
>  
> ---
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> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
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>  
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:49 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>  
> Now, this may be a good idea:
>  
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html
>  
> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>  
> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>  
> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>  
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> 
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From tfournet at tfour.net  Wed Mar  3 11:15:57 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:15:57 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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Good point. Luckily, I just can't imagine Google doing that, but that would
be a concern about a lot of other companies. I was going to make a point
about fear of being totally taken over by the government a deterrent for a
company considering moving HQ to China, but that's already likely to happen
in the US now...


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Karthik Poobalasubramanian <
karthik at poobal.net> wrote:

> According to CIA word fact book China has around 300 Million internet
> users. That probably 25% of china's population with tremendous expansion
> potential. Entire US population is around 300 Million.  Recently, China has
> invested a lot of money developing its infrastructure to accommodate in
> country R&D. Given all this, if there is a restrictive law that penalizes US
> based companies for obeying laws in other countries, isn't it easier for
> companies to pull out of US and move their operations to China? Hasn't this
> happened to manufacturing sector already?
>
> --
> Karthik Poobalasubramanian
> Louisiana Board of Regents
> karthik at poobal.net
> karthik at la.gov
> (225) 341-5855
> skype: poobal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
> > Filtering out results on the order of China..
> >
> > ---
> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >
> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >
> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:50 AM
> > To: general at brlug.net
> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
> >
> > I don't see where it bans companies from doing business in China, just
> where it imposes penalties on companies who violate human rights.
> > So--
> > Opening a hamburger stand in China - OK
> > Installing listening devices in your hamburger stand and handing the
> tapes over to the Chinese government - Not so much.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Keith Stokes <keiths at neill.net> wrote:
> > I would say that it does, but the bigger question is what's the "right"
> answer?  "Make the world a better place" or "make more money"?
> >
> > On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:13 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> >
> > The more I think of this, the more I wonder. It makes a good statement,
> but does it put US companies at a very big disadvantage globally?
> >
> > ---
> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >
> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >
> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 8:49 AM
> > To: general at brlug.net
> > Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
> >
> > Now, this may be a good idea:
> >
> >
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html
> >
> > The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S.
> Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate
> human rights."
> >
> > Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies
> from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our
> companies at a long-term disadvantage?
> >
> > Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that
> operates in the US.
> >
> > ---
> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >
> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
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From parspe at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  3 14:08:11 2010
From: parspe at hotmail.com (Patrick P)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:08:11 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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 I think it is the wrong approach because doing business on a large scale givew companies the power to influence foreign governments. walmart is a good example, they have gradually improved labor conditions throughout the world by inspecting the plants they do business with and requiring better work conditions. Google is a recent example as they are currently in dispute with China and chinese researchers need their service.

Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
















Now, this may be a good idea:

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html

 

The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil
penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign
governments and violate human rights."

 

Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar
US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would
this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?

 

Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY*
company that operates in the US.

 

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Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/

Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On

Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies



Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar  3 14:07:43 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:07:43 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing for high-bandwidth
	users..
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

I know I'll catch a lot of flack for this, but, honestly, I'm not
against tiered pricing from service providers like AT&T for
high-bandwidth users:

 

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/02/att_says_tiered_data_prici
ng_inevitable_not_rushing_towards_4g.html

Why should users that use little bandwidth subsidize high-bandwidth
users?

 

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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Wed Mar  3 14:19:09 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:19:09 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <BLU144-W1813019B8E31FB5576F005CA3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E1177@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>

Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.


________________________________
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights


Now, this may be a good idea:



http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html



The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."



Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?



Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.



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From bendily at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 14:37:43 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:37:43 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E1177@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
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Sure, there's 0 authority, but that doesn't mean the won't try to tell
them what to do.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov> wrote:
> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies?who their
> customers?can and cannot be.
>



From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Wed Mar  3 14:38:14 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:38:14 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <e27c898e1003031237j6ec1c12y5349eb823b4282af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E1178@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>

That is the sad reality of the matter. 


Ryan McCain
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
Phone: 225.505.3832

Registered Linux User #364609

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Sure, there's 0 authority, but that doesn't mean the won't try to tell them what to do.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov> wrote:
> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies?who their 
> customers?can and cannot be.
>

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From tfournet at tfour.net  Wed Mar  3 15:26:52 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:26:52 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing for
	high-bandwidth users..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <a05b10c1003031326j5717268bl5b9b0d293b02aaf6@mail.gmail.com>

I thought all users had the same amount of bandwidth, depending on network
conditions and environment?

Or do you mean high throughput users?


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>wrote:

>  I know I'll catch a lot of flack for this, but, honestly, I'm not against
> tiered pricing from service providers like AT&T for high-bandwidth users:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/02/att_says_tiered_data_pricing_inevitable_not_rushing_towards_4g.html
>
> Why should users that use little bandwidth subsidize high-bandwidth users?
>
>
>
> ---
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> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
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From karthik at poobal.net  Wed Mar  3 15:27:42 2010
From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobalasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:27:42 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing for
	high-bandwidth users..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <747E5325-0FF2-4CF3-8A1D-4657E1C44FCC@poobal.net>

I am against tiered pricing and here is my reasoning.
For ATT 3% of users use about 40% of network capacity. At a first glance, it would look like a lot of people will spend less money if they paid for what they used. Unlimited users should pay more then casual users. Right? If that is true, the carriers will lose money if they move to a tiered model. No? Then why are are proposing tiered pricing? Theoretically it may be true if they keep per GB cost low but practically what will happen the carriers/telcos/cable providers will bump the unlimited and per Mb usage charge way high. There will be a perceived value in getting the higher limit plan. It's like wine tastes better because you paid more for it.  For most providers doing this will increase their average revenue per user (AURP). Also, why are users forced to get data plans when they get a smart phone? Now, the carries have started forcing users to get data and text messaging plans because the cost of voice calls are going down. Okay. I will stop my rant now. 

 





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On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> I know I'll catch a lot of flack for this, but, honestly, I'm not against tiered pricing from service providers like AT&T for high-bandwidth users:
>  
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/02/att_says_tiered_data_pricing_inevitable_not_rushing_towards_4g.html
> Why should users that use little bandwidth subsidize high-bandwidth users?
>  
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
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> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar  3 15:28:24 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:28:24 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
References: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E1177@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17641B@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have
the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).

 

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Ryan McCain
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

 

Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their
customers can and cannot be.   

 

 

________________________________

Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

Now, this may be a good idea:

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_huma
n_rights_bill.html

 

The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on
U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and
violate human rights."

 

Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies
from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put
our companies at a long-term disadvantage?

 

Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that
operates in the US.

 

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Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar  3 15:29:52 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:29:52 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing
	forhigh-bandwidth users..
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<a05b10c1003031326j5717268bl5b9b0d293b02aaf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17641C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Nitpick.

 

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:27 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing
forhigh-bandwidth users..

 

I thought all users had the same amount of bandwidth, depending on
network conditions and environment?

Or do you mean high throughput users?



On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
wrote:

I know I'll catch a lot of flack for this, but, honestly, I'm not
against tiered pricing from service providers like AT&T for
high-bandwidth users:

 

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/02/att_says_tiered_data_prici
ng_inevitable_not_rushing_towards_4g.html

Why should users that use little bandwidth subsidize high-bandwidth
users?

 

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Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
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From karthik at poobal.net  Wed Mar  3 15:31:12 2010
From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobalasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:31:12 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing for
	high-bandwidth users..
In-Reply-To: <a05b10c1003031326j5717268bl5b9b0d293b02aaf6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<a05b10c1003031326j5717268bl5b9b0d293b02aaf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26937169-D69A-48BD-A2D4-05C1BBF9D843@poobal.net>

I think we can officially change definition of bandwidth since it means data consumption rather than throughput. 
--
Karthik Poobalasubramanian
Louisiana Board of Regents
karthik at poobal.net
karthik at la.gov
(225) 341-5855
skype: poobal

On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Tim Fournet wrote:

> I thought all users had the same amount of bandwidth, depending on network conditions and environment?
> 
> Or do you mean high throughput users?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
> I know I'll catch a lot of flack for this, but, honestly, I'm not against tiered pricing from service providers like AT&T for high-bandwidth users:
> 
>  
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/02/att_says_tiered_data_pricing_inevitable_not_rushing_towards_4g.html
> 
> Why should users that use little bandwidth subsidize high-bandwidth users?
> 
>  
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> 
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Wed Mar  3 15:36:54 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:36:54 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17641B@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E117C@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>

The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.


Ryan McCain
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
Phone: 225.505.3832

Registered Linux User #364609



________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Ryan McCain
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.


________________________________
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
Now, this may be a good idea:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html

The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."

Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?

Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.

---
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Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar  3 15:37:12 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:37:12 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing
	forhigh-bandwidth users..
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<747E5325-0FF2-4CF3-8A1D-4657E1C44FCC@poobal.net>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17641D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

"We" are not proposing a tiered payment structure. "They" are going to
propose the new plan, where "they" is the company offering the
bandwidth.

Honestly, to me, it seems like low bandwidth users are in fact
subsidizing the people that gooble up the network. So why not have
people pay for what they use?

---
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-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Karthik Poobalasubramanian
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing
forhigh-bandwidth users..

I am against tiered pricing and here is my reasoning.
For ATT 3% of users use about 40% of network capacity. At a first
glance, it would look like a lot of people will spend less money if they
paid for what they used. Unlimited users should pay more then casual
users. Right? If that is true, the carriers will lose money if they move
to a tiered model. No? Then why are are proposing tiered pricing?
Theoretically it may be true if they keep per GB cost low but
practically what will happen the carriers/telcos/cable providers will
bump the unlimited and per Mb usage charge way high. There will be a
perceived value in getting the higher limit plan. It's like wine tastes
better because you paid more for it.  For most providers doing this will
increase their average revenue per user (AURP). Also, why are users
forced to get data plans when they get a smart phone? Now, the carries
have started forcing users to get data and text messaging plans because
the cost of voice calls are going down. Okay. I will stop my rant now. 

 





--
Karthik Poobalasubramanian
Louisiana Board of Regents
karthik at poobal.net
karthik at la.gov
(225) 341-5855
skype: poobal









On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> I know I'll catch a lot of flack for this, but, honestly, I'm not
against tiered pricing from service providers like AT&T for
high-bandwidth users:
>  
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/02/att_says_tiered_data_pri
> cing_inevitable_not_rushing_towards_4g.html
> Why should users that use little bandwidth subsidize high-bandwidth
users?
>  
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active 
> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and 
> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> 
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>  
> _______________________________________________
> General mailing list
> General at brlug.net
> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net




From karthik at poobal.net  Wed Mar  3 15:46:13 2010
From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobalasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:46:13 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing
	forhigh-bandwidth users..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17641D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<747E5325-0FF2-4CF3-8A1D-4657E1C44FCC@poobal.net>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17641D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <74172DA4-16DF-4BEE-A956-212902B93E06@poobal.net>

Nitpick. Just saying. 
--
Karthik Poobalasubramanian
Louisiana Board of Regents
karthik at poobal.net
karthik at la.gov
(225) 341-5855
skype: poobal



On Mar 3, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> "We" are not proposing a tiered payment structure. "They" are going to
> propose the new plan, where "they" is the company offering the
> bandwidth.
> 

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From whanders at lasthonorableman.net  Wed Mar  3 15:59:45 2010
From: whanders at lasthonorableman.net (William Anderson)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:59:45 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered
	pricing	forhigh-bandwidth users..
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17641D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176419@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<747E5325-0FF2-4CF3-8A1D-4657E1C44FCC@poobal.net>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17641D@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <20100303215945.GA16168@whanders.dyndns.org>

I don't have sources to cite on hand at the second but I seem to recall
that every time tiered pricing has been tried in the US, the low
bandwidth users never see a bill reduction; only the heavy users see any
effect on their monthly cost and that is a dramatic increase. So, great
in theory, not so much in practices thus far.

There's also a common complaint that the whole issue should be moot.
The telcos have failed to upgrade their infrastructure despite increased
prices and gov't grants specifically for that purpose. Had they done so,
the available bandwidth would have more easily kept pace with the
increased load.

I'm going off memory on this and am not an expert so if I'm wrong, I'd
welcome someone setting me straight.

Bill



On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 03:37:12PM -0600, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> "We" are not proposing a tiered payment structure. "They" are going to
> propose the new plan, where "they" is the company offering the
> bandwidth.
> 
> Honestly, to me, it seems like low bandwidth users are in fact
> subsidizing the people that gooble up the network. So why not have
> people pay for what they use?
> 
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> 
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Karthik Poobalasubramanian
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] I'm not against tiered pricing
> forhigh-bandwidth users..
> 
> I am against tiered pricing and here is my reasoning.
> For ATT 3% of users use about 40% of network capacity. At a first
> glance, it would look like a lot of people will spend less money if they
> paid for what they used. Unlimited users should pay more then casual
> users. Right? If that is true, the carriers will lose money if they move
> to a tiered model. No? Then why are are proposing tiered pricing?
> Theoretically it may be true if they keep per GB cost low but
> practically what will happen the carriers/telcos/cable providers will
> bump the unlimited and per Mb usage charge way high. There will be a
> perceived value in getting the higher limit plan. It's like wine tastes
> better because you paid more for it.  For most providers doing this will
> increase their average revenue per user (AURP). Also, why are users
> forced to get data plans when they get a smart phone? Now, the carries
> have started forcing users to get data and text messaging plans because
> the cost of voice calls are going down. Okay. I will stop my rant now. 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Karthik Poobalasubramanian
> Louisiana Board of Regents
> karthik at poobal.net
> karthik at la.gov
> (225) 341-5855
> skype: poobal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> 
> > I know I'll catch a lot of flack for this, but, honestly, I'm not
> against tiered pricing from service providers like AT&T for
> high-bandwidth users:
> >  
> > http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/03/02/att_says_tiered_data_pri
> > cing_inevitable_not_rushing_towards_4g.html
> > Why should users that use little bandwidth subsidize high-bandwidth
> users?
> >  
> > ---
> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active 
> > Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and 
> > Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> > 
> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >  
> > _______________________________________________
> > General mailing list
> > General at brlug.net
> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> 
> 
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From sroddy at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 22:55:59 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:55:59 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] password reset - web based
Message-ID: <8d48b6ba1003032055x6d89a587of77fc2cb8e3d6a9d@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know of an open source password reset framework out there that
can be used to aid in password reset via email?  You know... like all of
those sites that email a link to your email address for reset of a web
account?  I'd rather not write my own (poorly written) password reset
mechanism if there is one that exists already.
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From tfournet at tfour.net  Thu Mar  4 11:28:24 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:28:24 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] password reset - web based
In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba1003032055x6d89a587of77fc2cb8e3d6a9d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d48b6ba1003032055x6d89a587of77fc2cb8e3d6a9d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a05b10c1003040928yf0291fdof88076b0ff9ffba1@mail.gmail.com>

I think the problem with a generic framework would be that it would need to
know how you're storing passwords in the first place. Is it a database,
LDAP, Active Directory, ??

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Shannon Roddy <sroddy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know of an open source password reset framework out there that
> can be used to aid in password reset via email?  You know... like all of
> those sites that email a link to your email address for reset of a web
> account?  I'd rather not write my own (poorly written) password reset
> mechanism if there is one that exists already.
>
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From tfournet at tfour.net  Thu Mar  4 11:31:22 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:31:22 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
Message-ID: <a05b10c1003040931g4a538809r1ec4b60177a32f4b@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on open
source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions we've
been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM is
always a changing war.

I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I want
to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I wouldn't mind a
subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or blacklist if
there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a good open source
framework to start with.
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Thu Mar  4 11:34:25 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 11:34:25 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
In-Reply-To: <a05b10c1003040931g4a538809r1ec4b60177a32f4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a05b10c1003040931g4a538809r1ec4b60177a32f4b@mail.gmail.com>
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We have moved to a commercial solution here but used Spam Assassin for a while and it did a fine job.  It doesn't give you the nice GUI to work with but it gets the job done.

http://spamassassin.apache.org/



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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:31 AM
To: General at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering

I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on open source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions we've been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM is always a changing war.

I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I wouldn't mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a good open source framework to start with.
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From tfournet at tfour.net  Thu Mar  4 12:00:25 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:00:25 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
In-Reply-To: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E1190@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
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Right now we're using spamassassin, but it gets fooled by a lot of the
current mail that has random content thrown into it. I'm looking at some of
the plugins for it like http://www.armresearch.com/products/SNF4SA.jsp that
look interesting


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov> wrote:

>  We have moved to a commercial solution here but used Spam Assassin for a
> while and it did a fine job.  It doesn't give you the nice GUI to work with
> but it gets the job done.
>
> http://spamassassin.apache.org/
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Fournet
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:31 AM
> *To:* General at brlug.net
> *Subject:* [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
>
> I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on open
> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions we've
> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM is
> always a changing war.
>
> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I
> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I wouldn't
> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a good
> open source framework to start with.
>
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From gremln007 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 12:42:05 2010
From: gremln007 at gmail.com (Jonathan Roberts)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 12:42:05 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
In-Reply-To: <a05b10c1003040931g4a538809r1ec4b60177a32f4b@mail.gmail.com>
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This doesn't answer your question, but I wanted to mention it as it may
help.  In the past, I have found a geographic blacklist helps a lot.  ie.
block all but North America or block a set of countries.

Jonathan


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on open
> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions we've
> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM is
> always a changing war.
>
> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I
> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I wouldn't
> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a good
> open source framework to start with.
>
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From sroddy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 14:10:54 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:10:54 +1800
Subject: [brlug-general] password reset - web based
In-Reply-To: <a05b10c1003040928yf0291fdof88076b0ff9ffba1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net> wrote:

> I think the problem with a generic framework would be that it would need to
> know how you're storing passwords in the first place. Is it a database,
> LDAP, Active Directory, ??
>

Kerberos (or LDAP if I must).  But, assuming it is a framework then I can
just replace or modify the relevant function that does the actual password
change and still leverage all the email handling, input sanitization, html
output, etc. that would hopefully come with a framework.


>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Shannon Roddy <sroddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of an open source password reset framework out there that
>> can be used to aid in password reset via email?  You know... like all of
>> those sites that email a link to your email address for reset of a web
>> account?  I'd rather not write my own (poorly written) password reset
>> mechanism if there is one that exists already.
>>
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From sroddy at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 15:15:12 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:15:12 +1800
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
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Roaringpenguin.com

GUI-fied open source packages (or debian based appliance) for a not-so-bad
price with good support and feeds for rules.  Customizable per-domain and/or
per-user configurations, etc.  It just works.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on open
> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions we've
> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM is
> always a changing war.
>
> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I
> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I wouldn't
> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a good
> open source framework to start with.
>
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From ray at ops.selu.edu  Thu Mar  4 16:10:20 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:10:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
In-Reply-To: <8d48b6ba1003041315k25a0bc1er695bd91a1dcc1aec@mail.gmail.com>
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2nd the Roaringpenguin.com recommendation.  We used the open-source 
version (MIMEDefang) for years and years.  It worked great.  Never had the 
GUI (+postgres backend) or the advanced spam stuff, but i'd tested it and 
liked it.

If you just want a blacklist, spamhaus is the best one out there.

If you intend to go total open source (mimedefang, spamassassin, clamav), 
I'll say it's doable but it's almost a full time job keeping up with the 
rules and making sure you're watching and defending against the attack du 
jour.  For spam fighting, it's definitely not set it and forget it. 
Depending on your mail volume of course.  We ended up going with a 
commercial appliance (IronPort).

ray



On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Shannon Roddy wrote:

> Roaringpenguin.com
>
> GUI-fied open source packages (or debian based appliance) for a not-so-bad
> price with good support and feeds for rules.  Customizable per-domain and/or
> per-user configurations, etc.  It just works.
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on open
>> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions we've
>> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM is
>> always a changing war.
>>
>> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I
>> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I wouldn't
>> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
>> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a good
>> open source framework to start with.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at brlug.net
>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>
>>
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From ray at ops.selu.edu  Thu Mar  4 16:29:37 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:29:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to 
forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business 
with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.

You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with 
Iran.

Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords? :)

ray


On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>
>
> Ryan McCain
> Northrop Grumman Corporation
> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
> Phone: 225.505.3832
>
> Registered Linux User #364609
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Ryan McCain
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
> Now, this may be a good idea:
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_human_rights_bill.html
>
> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>
> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>
> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
>
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Thu Mar  4 16:48:09 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 16:48:09 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.1003041617420.968@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
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The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.  

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of -ray
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights


I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.

You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.

Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords? :)

ray


On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>
>
> Ryan McCain
> Northrop Grumman Corporation
> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
> Phone: 225.505.3832
>
> Registered Linux User #364609
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active 
> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and 
> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
> Behalf Of Ryan McCain
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may 
> be a good idea:
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_hu
> man_rights_bill.html
>
> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>
> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>
> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active 
> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and 
> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
>
> ________________________________
> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it 
> now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/>
>

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From ray at ops.selu.edu  Thu Mar  4 17:35:59 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:35:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.

Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution 
states Congress has the power:

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, 
and with the Indian tribes;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers

How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating 
commerce with foreign nations?

ray

On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>
> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>
> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords? :)
>
> ray
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>
>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>
>>
>> Ryan McCain
>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>
>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>>
>> ---
>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active
>> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and
>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>
>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Ryan McCain
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may
>> be a good idea:
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_hu
>> man_rights_bill.html
>>
>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>
>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>>
>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>>
>> ---
>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active
>> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and
>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>
>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it
>> now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/>
>>
>
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From bendily at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 18:13:35 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 18:13:35 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.1003041721530.22180@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
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Burn!



On Mar 4, 2010, at 5:35 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:

>
> I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto  
> WIkipedia.
>
> Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US  
> Constitution
> states Congress has the power:
>
> To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several  
> states,
> and with the Indian tribes;
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers
>
> How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under  
> regulating
> commerce with foreign nations?
>
> ray
>
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>
>> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.   
>> Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]  
>> On Behalf Of -ray
>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>>
>> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government  
>> to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any  
>> business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>>
>> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business  
>> with Iran.
>>
>> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese  
>> overlords? :)
>>
>> ray
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>>
>>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law  
>>> isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan McCain
>>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>>
>>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]  
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>
>>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly  
>>> have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>>>
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>>> Active
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>>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
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>>>
>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]  
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Ryan McCain
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
>>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>
>>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their  
>>> customers can and cannot be.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may
>>> be a good idea:
>>>
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_hu
>>> man_rights_bill.html
>>>
>>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties  
>>> on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign  
>>> governments and violate human rights."
>>>
>>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US  
>>> companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So  
>>> would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>>>
>>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company  
>>> that operates in the US.
>>>
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From torrancew at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 08:20:27 2010
From: torrancew at gmail.com (Warren "Tray" Torrance)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:20:27 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.1003041602200.968@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
References: <a05b10c1003040931g4a538809r1ec4b60177a32f4b@mail.gmail.com>
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Ironically, some of this conversation was marked as spam for me.

Warren "Tray" Torrance


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 16:10, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:

>
> 2nd the Roaringpenguin.com recommendation.  We used the open-source version
> (MIMEDefang) for years and years.  It worked great.  Never had the GUI
> (+postgres backend) or the advanced spam stuff, but i'd tested it and liked
> it.
>
> If you just want a blacklist, spamhaus is the best one out there.
>
> If you intend to go total open source (mimedefang, spamassassin, clamav),
> I'll say it's doable but it's almost a full time job keeping up with the
> rules and making sure you're watching and defending against the attack du
> jour.  For spam fighting, it's definitely not set it and forget it.
> Depending on your mail volume of course.  We ended up going with a
> commercial appliance (IronPort).
>
> ray
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Shannon Roddy wrote:
>
>  Roaringpenguin.com
>>
>> GUI-fied open source packages (or debian based appliance) for a not-so-bad
>> price with good support and feeds for rules.  Customizable per-domain
>> and/or
>> per-user configurations, etc.  It just works.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net> wrote:
>>
>>  I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on open
>>> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions
>>> we've
>>> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM
>>> is
>>> always a changing war.
>>>
>>> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I
>>> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I
>>> wouldn't
>>> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
>>> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a good
>>> open source framework to start with.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> General at brlug.net
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>>>
>>>
>>
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From bendily at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 08:35:01 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:35:01 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
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"Some" of the conversation?
How exactly does it do that?
bb

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Warren "Tray" Torrance
<torrancew at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ironically, some of this conversation was marked as spam for me.
>
> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 16:10, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> 2nd the Roaringpenguin.com recommendation. ?We used the open-source
>> version (MIMEDefang) for years and years. ?It worked great. ?Never had the
>> GUI (+postgres backend) or the advanced spam stuff, but i'd tested it and
>> liked it.
>>
>> If you just want a blacklist, spamhaus is the best one out there.
>>
>> If you intend to go total open source (mimedefang, spamassassin, clamav),
>> I'll say it's doable but it's almost a full time job keeping up with the
>> rules and making sure you're watching and defending against the attack du
>> jour. ?For spam fighting, it's definitely not set it and forget it.
>> Depending on your mail volume of course. ?We ended up going with a
>> commercial appliance (IronPort).
>>
>> ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Shannon Roddy wrote:
>>
>>> Roaringpenguin.com
>>>
>>> GUI-fied open source packages (or debian based appliance) for a
>>> not-so-bad
>>> price with good support and feeds for rules. ?Customizable per-domain
>>> and/or
>>> per-user configurations, etc. ?It just works.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on
>>>> open
>>>> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions
>>>> we've
>>>> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM
>>>> is
>>>> always a changing war.
>>>>
>>>> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I
>>>> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
>>>> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a
>>>> good
>>>> open source framework to start with.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From MarkL at lmfj.com  Fri Mar  5 08:35:39 2010
From: MarkL at lmfj.com (Mark A. Lappin)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:35:39 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
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Some of it on my end is going to "Junk Mail" via Outlook's crazy filtering rules.  SpamSoap (rebranded mxlogic filtering) is stopping a few of the messages here and there.




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-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:35 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering

"Some" of the conversation?
How exactly does it do that?
bb

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Warren "Tray" Torrance
<torrancew at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ironically, some of this conversation was marked as spam for me.
>
> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 16:10, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> 2nd the Roaringpenguin.com recommendation.  We used the open-source
>> version (MIMEDefang) for years and years.  It worked great.  Never had the
>> GUI (+postgres backend) or the advanced spam stuff, but i'd tested it and
>> liked it.
>>
>> If you just want a blacklist, spamhaus is the best one out there.
>>
>> If you intend to go total open source (mimedefang, spamassassin, clamav),
>> I'll say it's doable but it's almost a full time job keeping up with the
>> rules and making sure you're watching and defending against the attack du
>> jour.  For spam fighting, it's definitely not set it and forget it.
>> Depending on your mail volume of course.  We ended up going with a
>> commercial appliance (IronPort).
>>
>> ray
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Shannon Roddy wrote:
>>
>>> Roaringpenguin.com
>>>
>>> GUI-fied open source packages (or debian based appliance) for a
>>> not-so-bad
>>> price with good support and feeds for rules.  Customizable per-domain
>>> and/or
>>> per-user configurations, etc.  It just works.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on
>>>> open
>>>> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions
>>>> we've
>>>> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting SPAM
>>>> is
>>>> always a changing war.
>>>>
>>>> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but I
>>>> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
>>>> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a
>>>> good
>>>> open source framework to start with.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
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From torrancew at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 08:36:44 2010
From: torrancew at gmail.com (Warren "Tray" Torrance)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:36:44 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
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The magic of gmail's spam filtering is how, I suppose. I think they use
Postini, assuming it's the same one they provide for GoogleApps subscribers.
Warren "Tray" Torrance


On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 08:35, Brad Bendily <bendily at gmail.com> wrote:

> "Some" of the conversation?
> How exactly does it do that?
> bb
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Warren "Tray" Torrance
> <torrancew at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ironically, some of this conversation was marked as spam for me.
> >
> > Warren "Tray" Torrance
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 16:10, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2nd the Roaringpenguin.com recommendation.  We used the open-source
> >> version (MIMEDefang) for years and years.  It worked great.  Never had
> the
> >> GUI (+postgres backend) or the advanced spam stuff, but i'd tested it
> and
> >> liked it.
> >>
> >> If you just want a blacklist, spamhaus is the best one out there.
> >>
> >> If you intend to go total open source (mimedefang, spamassassin,
> clamav),
> >> I'll say it's doable but it's almost a full time job keeping up with the
> >> rules and making sure you're watching and defending against the attack
> du
> >> jour.  For spam fighting, it's definitely not set it and forget it.
> >> Depending on your mail volume of course.  We ended up going with a
> >> commercial appliance (IronPort).
> >>
> >> ray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Shannon Roddy wrote:
> >>
> >>> Roaringpenguin.com
> >>>
> >>> GUI-fied open source packages (or debian based appliance) for a
> >>> not-so-bad
> >>> price with good support and feeds for rules.  Customizable per-domain
> >>> and/or
> >>> per-user configurations, etc.  It just works.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on
> >>>> open
> >>>> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions
> >>>> we've
> >>>> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting
> SPAM
> >>>> is
> >>>> always a changing war.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but
> I
> >>>> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I
> >>>> wouldn't
> >>>> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
> >>>> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a
> >>>> good
> >>>> open source framework to start with.
> >>>>
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> >>>> General at brlug.net
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Fri Mar  5 09:06:11 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:06:11 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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I don't want to spam this list w/ debating the Constitution but you have to look at what "regulate" and "commerce" meant at the time of the signing of the Constitution.  "Regulate" basically meant to keep regular, or not interfere.     


Ryan McCain
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Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
Phone: 225.505.3832

Registered Linux User #364609

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of -ray
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:36 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights


I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.

Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution states Congress has the power:

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers

How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating commerce with foreign nations?

ray

On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
> Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>
> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>
> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords? 
> :)
>
> ray
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>
>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>
>>
>> Ryan McCain
>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>
>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>>
>> ---
>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active 
>> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and 
>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>
>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
>> Behalf Of Ryan McCain
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may 
>> be a good idea:
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_h
>> u
>> man_rights_bill.html
>>
>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>
>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>>
>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>>
>> ---
>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active 
>> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and 
>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>
>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>>
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Fri Mar  5 09:46:41 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:46:41 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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Here's a good writeup on this....

http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm 


-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of -ray
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:36 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights


I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.

Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution states Congress has the power:

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers

How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating commerce with foreign nations?

ray

On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
> Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>
> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>
> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords? 
> :)
>
> ray
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>
>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>
>>
>> Ryan McCain
>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>
>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>>
>> ---
>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active 
>> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and 
>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>
>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
>> Behalf Of Ryan McCain
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may 
>> be a good idea:
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_h
>> u
>> man_rights_bill.html
>>
>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>
>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>>
>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>>
>> ---
>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active 
>> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and 
>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>
>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it 
>> now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/>
>>
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From sroddy at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 10:50:28 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:50:28 +1800
Subject: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
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>>Outlook<<

Hey... I think I found your problem.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Mark A. Lappin <MarkL at lmfj.com> wrote:

> Some of it on my end is going to "Junk Mail" via Outlook's crazy filtering
> rules.  SpamSoap (rebranded mxlogic filtering) is stopping a few of the
> messages here and there.
>
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of Brad Bendily
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:35 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Open Source SPAM filtering
>
> "Some" of the conversation?
> How exactly does it do that?
> bb
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Warren "Tray" Torrance
> <torrancew at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ironically, some of this conversation was marked as spam for me.
> >
> > Warren "Tray" Torrance
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 16:10, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2nd the Roaringpenguin.com recommendation.  We used the open-source
> >> version (MIMEDefang) for years and years.  It worked great.  Never had
> the
> >> GUI (+postgres backend) or the advanced spam stuff, but i'd tested it
> and
> >> liked it.
> >>
> >> If you just want a blacklist, spamhaus is the best one out there.
> >>
> >> If you intend to go total open source (mimedefang, spamassassin,
> clamav),
> >> I'll say it's doable but it's almost a full time job keeping up with the
> >> rules and making sure you're watching and defending against the attack
> du
> >> jour.  For spam fighting, it's definitely not set it and forget it.
> >> Depending on your mail volume of course.  We ended up going with a
> >> commercial appliance (IronPort).
> >>
> >> ray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Shannon Roddy wrote:
> >>
> >>> Roaringpenguin.com
> >>>
> >>> GUI-fied open source packages (or debian based appliance) for a
> >>> not-so-bad
> >>> price with good support and feeds for rules.  Customizable per-domain
> >>> and/or
> >>> per-user configurations, etc.  It just works.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Tim Fournet <tfournet at tfour.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was wondering if anyone has any well-working SPAM filters based on
> >>>> open
> >>>> source software that they can recommend? The combination of solutions
> >>>> we've
> >>>> been using have worked fairly decently until recently, but fighting
> SPAM
> >>>> is
> >>>> always a changing war.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm familiar with a lot of the commercial products on the market, but
> I
> >>>> want to give Open Source a chance before going 100% commercial. I
> >>>> wouldn't
> >>>> mind a subscription fee for some sort of signature-based service or
> >>>> blacklist if there's a good one out there, but I would love to see a
> >>>> good
> >>>> open source framework to start with.
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From ray at ops.selu.edu  Mon Mar  8 12:53:01 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:53:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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Yes, a nice, long writeup.  And the conclusion of section IIIB seems to 
support my point:

"...and the term "To regulate" means "to make regular"--that is, to 
specify how an activity may be transacted--when applied to domestic 
commerce, but also includes the power to make "prohibitory regulations" 
when applied to foreign trade. In sum, Congress has power to specify rules 
to govern the manner by which people may exchange or trade goods from one 
state to another, to remove obstructions to domestic trade erected by 
states, and to both regulate and restrict the flow of goods to and from 
other nations (and the Indian tribes) for the purpose of promoting the 
domestic economy and foreign trade." 
http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm#IIIB

The term "to regulate", when applied to foreign trade, definitely does NOT 
mean "to not interfere".  Not interfering is more applicable to domestic 
trade.

That said, and to steer this back on topic, I think this Human Bill of 
Rights legislation is pure and utter crap from the most bleeding heart 
liberal in congress.  If the federal government wants to do something 
about human rights violations in China (or anywhere), then do something, 
damnit.  Do not punish US companies cause you don't have the balls to 
stand up to China yourself.

ray


On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> Here's a good writeup on this....
>
> http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
> I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.
>
> Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution states Congress has the power:
>
> To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers
>
> How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating commerce with foreign nations?
>
> ray
>
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>
>> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of -ray
>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>>
>> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>>
>> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>>
>> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords?
>> :)
>>
>> ray
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>>
>>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan McCain
>>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>>
>>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>
>>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active
>>> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and
>>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>
>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>
>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>>> Behalf Of Ryan McCain
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
>>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>
>>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may
>>> be a good idea:
>>>
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_h
>>> u
>>> man_rights_bill.html
>>>
>>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>>
>>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>>>
>>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ Active
>>> Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On Identity and
>>> Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Mon Mar  8 13:11:32 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:11:32 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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I don't agree with his conclusions but the meat of the article should give you enough information if you want to start researching the issue any further.  We are supposed to be sovereign.  Someone who is sovereign doesn't ask permission of anyone to trade goods and services. 


Ryan McCain
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
Phone: 225.505.3832

Registered Linux User #364609

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of -ray
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:53 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights


Yes, a nice, long writeup.  And the conclusion of section IIIB seems to support my point:

"...and the term "To regulate" means "to make regular"--that is, to specify how an activity may be transacted--when applied to domestic commerce, but also includes the power to make "prohibitory regulations" 
when applied to foreign trade. In sum, Congress has power to specify rules to govern the manner by which people may exchange or trade goods from one state to another, to remove obstructions to domestic trade erected by states, and to both regulate and restrict the flow of goods to and from other nations (and the Indian tribes) for the purpose of promoting the domestic economy and foreign trade." 
http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm#IIIB

The term "to regulate", when applied to foreign trade, definitely does NOT mean "to not interfere".  Not interfering is more applicable to domestic trade.

That said, and to steer this back on topic, I think this Human Bill of Rights legislation is pure and utter crap from the most bleeding heart liberal in congress.  If the federal government wants to do something about human rights violations in China (or anywhere), then do something, damnit.  Do not punish US companies cause you don't have the balls to stand up to China yourself.

ray


On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> Here's a good writeup on this....
>
> http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
> Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:36 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
> I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.
>
> Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution states Congress has the power:
>
> To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several 
> states, and with the Indian tribes;
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitu
> tion#Enumerated_powers
>
> How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating commerce with foreign nations?
>
> ray
>
> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>
>> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
>> Behalf Of -ray
>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>>
>> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>>
>> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>>
>> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords?
>> :)
>>
>> ray
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>>
>>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan McCain
>>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>>
>>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] 
>>> On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>
>>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ 
>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On 
>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>
>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>
>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] 
>>> On Behalf Of Ryan McCain
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
>>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>
>>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may 
>>> be a good idea:
>>>
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_
>>> h
>>> u
>>> man_rights_bill.html
>>>
>>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>>
>>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>>>
>>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/ 
>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On 
>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>
>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>
>>>
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>>> now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/>
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From ray at ops.selu.edu  Mon Mar  8 13:40:15 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:40:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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So you believe that private US defense contractors, who've developed 
weapons and technologies under the auspices of the US government, should 
be allowed to freely trade said weapons and technologies to countries such 
as China, Russia, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, and North Korea?



On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> I don't agree with his conclusions but the meat of the article should 
> give you enough information if you want to start researching the issue 
> any further.  We are supposed to be sovereign.  Someone who is sovereign 
> doesn't ask permission of anyone to trade goods and services.
>
>
> Ryan McCain
> Northrop Grumman Corporation
> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
> Phone: 225.505.3832
>
> Registered Linux User #364609
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:53 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
> Yes, a nice, long writeup.  And the conclusion of section IIIB seems to support my point:
>
> "...and the term "To regulate" means "to make regular"--that is, to specify how an activity may be transacted--when applied to domestic commerce, but also includes the power to make "prohibitory regulations"
> when applied to foreign trade. In sum, Congress has power to specify rules to govern the manner by which people may exchange or trade goods from one state to another, to remove obstructions to domestic trade erected by states, and to both regulate and restrict the flow of goods to and from other nations (and the Indian tribes) for the purpose of promoting the domestic economy and foreign trade."
> http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm#IIIB
>
> The term "to regulate", when applied to foreign trade, definitely does NOT mean "to not interfere".  Not interfering is more applicable to domestic trade.
>
> That said, and to steer this back on topic, I think this Human Bill of Rights legislation is pure and utter crap from the most bleeding heart liberal in congress.  If the federal government wants to do something about human rights violations in China (or anywhere), then do something, damnit.  Do not punish US companies cause you don't have the balls to stand up to China yourself.
>
> ray
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>
>> Here's a good writeup on this....
>>
>> http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of -ray
>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:36 PM
>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>>
>> I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.
>>
>> Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution states Congress has the power:
>>
>> To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several
>> states, and with the Indian tribes;
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitu
>> tion#Enumerated_powers
>>
>> How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating commerce with foreign nations?
>>
>> ray
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>>
>>> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>>> Behalf Of -ray
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
>>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>>>
>>> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords?
>>> :)
>>>
>>> ray
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>>>
>>>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan McCain
>>>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>>>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>>>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>>>
>>>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]
>>>> On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>
>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>
>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]
>>>> On Behalf Of Ryan McCain
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
>>>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>>
>>>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>>>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may
>>>> be a good idea:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_
>>>> h
>>>> u
>>>> man_rights_bill.html
>>>>
>>>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>>>
>>>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>
>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it
>>>> now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/>
>>>>
>>>
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Mon Mar  8 13:50:03 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 13:50:03 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
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Of course, if they don't our govt will do it with our tax dollars as they have for generations.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." --Benjamin Franklin

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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:40 PM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights


So you believe that private US defense contractors, who've developed weapons and technologies under the auspices of the US government, should be allowed to freely trade said weapons and technologies to countries such as China, Russia, Cuba, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, and North Korea?



On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> I don't agree with his conclusions but the meat of the article should 
> give you enough information if you want to start researching the issue 
> any further.  We are supposed to be sovereign.  Someone who is 
> sovereign doesn't ask permission of anyone to trade goods and services.
>
>
> Ryan McCain
> Northrop Grumman Corporation
> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
> Phone: 225.505.3832
>
> Registered Linux User #364609
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
> Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:53 PM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
> Yes, a nice, long writeup.  And the conclusion of section IIIB seems to support my point:
>
> "...and the term "To regulate" means "to make regular"--that is, to specify how an activity may be transacted--when applied to domestic commerce, but also includes the power to make "prohibitory regulations"
> when applied to foreign trade. In sum, Congress has power to specify rules to govern the manner by which people may exchange or trade goods from one state to another, to remove obstructions to domestic trade erected by states, and to both regulate and restrict the flow of goods to and from other nations (and the Indian tribes) for the purpose of promoting the domestic economy and foreign trade."
> http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm#IIIB
>
> The term "to regulate", when applied to foreign trade, definitely does NOT mean "to not interfere".  Not interfering is more applicable to domestic trade.
>
> That said, and to steer this back on topic, I think this Human Bill of Rights legislation is pure and utter crap from the most bleeding heart liberal in congress.  If the federal government wants to do something about human rights violations in China (or anywhere), then do something, damnit.  Do not punish US companies cause you don't have the balls to stand up to China yourself.
>
> ray
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>
>> Here's a good writeup on this....
>>
>> http://www.bu.edu/rbarnett/Original.htm
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
>> Behalf Of -ray
>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:36 PM
>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>
>>
>> I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.
>>
>> Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution states Congress has the power:
>>
>> To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several 
>> states, and with the Indian tribes;
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constit
>> u
>> tion#Enumerated_powers
>>
>> How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating commerce with foreign nations?
>>
>> ray
>>
>> On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>>
>>> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] 
>>> On Behalf Of -ray
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 4:30 PM
>>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
>>>
>>> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>>>
>>> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords?
>>> :)
>>>
>>> ray
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
>>>
>>>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ryan McCain
>>>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>>>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>>>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>>>
>>>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]
>>>> On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:28 PM
>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]
>>>> On Behalf Of Ryan McCain
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:19 PM
>>>> To: 'general at brlug.net'
>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>>>>
>>>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>>>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this 
>>>> may be a good idea:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet
>>>> _
>>>> h
>>>> u
>>>> man_rights_bill.html
>>>>
>>>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>>>
>>>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
>>>>
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>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>
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>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>
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From tfournet at tfour.net  Mon Mar  8 14:10:24 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:10:24 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11B0@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
References: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E117C@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003041617420.968@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11A1@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003041721530.22180@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
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	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003081327360.18199@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11B0@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
Message-ID: <a05b10c1003081210ke378d2bvba98d5822973b152@mail.gmail.com>

The government heavily controls imports and exports of goods, especially
weapons, raw materials, and food with taxes, quotas, and restrictions. There
are a lot of reasons for this, including making it possible to sustain our
own agriculture and keep prices competitive with other countries. That said,
Ray's point about the government not having the balls to focus on the real
issue is something I totally agree with. If the US has a problem with human
rights violations by foreign governments, they need to tackle the issue
head-on -- not attack the liberties of our own people instead.

This reminds me of the old "war by proxy" mentality of making somebody else
fight your battles for you so you can keep your own hands clean.
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Mon Mar  8 14:23:38 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:23:38 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <a05b10c1003081210ke378d2bvba98d5822973b152@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E117C@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003041617420.968@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11A1@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003041721530.22180@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11A5@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003081229090.22632@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
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	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11B0@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<a05b10c1003081210ke378d2bvba98d5822973b152@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11B1@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>

Govt. price fixing on imports/exports doesn't keep prices competitive and only destroys are agriculture. It only makes the prices for international goods and services for the consumer more expensive.  If Coca-Cola can purchase corn (for corn syrup) from Mexico at half the price than it could from a company in Iowa but the govt. lays a tarrif on all corn imports from Mexico to make it more expensive, then Coca-Cola will buy the more expensive corn from Iowa. All that does is artifically keep prices high for consumers.  Protectionism and price controls ALWAYS result in more govt. power/control and less consumer buying power.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard125.html<http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/free-trade-protectionism.html>


http://www.mises.org



________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights


The government heavily controls imports and exports of goods, especially weapons, raw materials, and food with taxes, quotas, and restrictions. There are a lot of reasons for this, including making it possible to sustain our own agriculture and keep prices competitive with other countries. That said, Ray's point about the government not having the balls to focus on the real issue is something I totally agree with. If the US has a problem with human rights violations by foreign governments, they need to tackle the issue head-on -- not attack the liberties of our own people instead.

This reminds me of the old "war by proxy" mentality of making somebody else fight your battles for you so you can keep your own hands clean.




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From tfournet at tfour.net  Mon Mar  8 14:46:37 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 14:46:37 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11B1@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
References: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E117C@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11A1@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
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I'm still on the fence about how much it actually benefits the consumers. On
one hand, I hate the idea of government control. On the other, how cheap
does corn need to be?? On the Other Other hand, screw corn, let's get
Coca-Cola back on cane sugar. HFCS is evil!


On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov> wrote:

>  Govt. price fixing on imports/exports doesn't keep prices competitive and
> only destroys are agriculture. It only makes the prices for international
> goods and services for the consumer more expensive.  If Coca-Cola can
> purchase corn (for corn syrup) from Mexico at half the price than it could
> from a company in Iowa but the govt. lays a tarrif on all corn imports from
> Mexico to make it more expensive, then Coca-Cola will buy the more expensive
> corn from Iowa. All that does is artifically keep prices high for
> consumers.  Protectionism and price controls ALWAYS result in more govt.
> power/control and less consumer buying power.
>
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard125.html<http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/free-trade-protectionism.html>
>
>
> http://www.mises.org
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Fournet
> *Sent:* Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM
>
> *To:* general at brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
>
>
> The government heavily controls imports and exports of goods, especially
> weapons, raw materials, and food with taxes, quotas, and restrictions. There
> are a lot of reasons for this, including making it possible to sustain our
> own agriculture and keep prices competitive with other countries. That said,
> Ray's point about the government not having the balls to focus on the real
> issue is something I totally agree with. If the US has a problem with human
> rights violations by foreign governments, they need to tackle the issue
> head-on -- not attack the liberties of our own people instead.
>
> This reminds me of the old "war by proxy" mentality of making somebody else
> fight your battles for you so you can keep your own hands clean.
>
>
>
>
>
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Mon Mar  8 15:07:11 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 15:07:11 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights
In-Reply-To: <a05b10c1003081246v6b7e0742i161b0a678fe3f579@mail.gmail.com>
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	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11A5@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003081229090.22632@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
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	<a05b10c1003081210ke378d2bvba98d5822973b152@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11B3@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>

I agree with you on Cane Sugar.

--
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________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:47 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

I'm still on the fence about how much it actually benefits the consumers. On one hand, I hate the idea of government control. On the other, how cheap does corn need to be?? On the Other Other hand, screw corn, let's get Coca-Cola back on cane sugar. HFCS is evil!


On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov<mailto:Ryan.McCain at la.gov>> wrote:
Govt. price fixing on imports/exports doesn't keep prices competitive and only destroys are agriculture. It only makes the prices for international goods and services for the consumer more expensive.  If Coca-Cola can purchase corn (for corn syrup) from Mexico at half the price than it could from a company in Iowa but the govt. lays a tarrif on all corn imports from Mexico to make it more expensive, then Coca-Cola will buy the more expensive corn from Iowa. All that does is artifically keep prices high for consumers.  Protectionism and price controls ALWAYS result in more govt. power/control and less consumer buying power.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard125.html<http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/free-trade-protectionism.html>


http://www.mises.org



________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net<mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net> [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net<mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net>] On Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:10 PM

To: general at brlug.net<mailto:general at brlug.net>
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights


The government heavily controls imports and exports of goods, especially weapons, raw materials, and food with taxes, quotas, and restrictions. There are a lot of reasons for this, including making it possible to sustain our own agriculture and keep prices competitive with other countries. That said, Ray's point about the government not having the balls to focus on the real issue is something I totally agree with. If the US has a problem with human rights violations by foreign governments, they need to tackle the issue head-on -- not attack the liberties of our own people instead.

This reminds me of the old "war by proxy" mentality of making somebody else fight your battles for you so you can keep your own hands clean.





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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar 10 10:08:22 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:08:22 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip preferred
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
preferred."

 

From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
[mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
To: nolug at nolug.org
Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred

 

Oh geez I thought you were joking.  What a boring job.  At least they're
hiring though.  ;)

	On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
	
	http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
	
	

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From bendily at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 10:38:06 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:38:06 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <e27c898e1003100838w3ad583cdj1840636fe631d0c6@mail.gmail.com>

i've applied. I'm a shoe-in, i have plenty of experience with winzip.
At nearly every job i've held I have
worked with winzip. how exciting.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear
<dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
> preferred."
>
>
>
> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
> To: nolug at nolug.org
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>
>
>
> Oh geez I thought you were joking.? What a boring job.? At least they're
> hiring though.? ;)
>
> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Wed Mar 10 10:48:50 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:48:50 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
 experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <e27c898e1003100838w3ad583cdj1840636fe631d0c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<e27c898e1003100838w3ad583cdj1840636fe631d0c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D0@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>

Brad,

I will be letting your employer know that you are looking for a new job. We really value your WinZip experience here so I would please ask you reconsider leaving.

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:38 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred

i've applied. I'm a shoe-in, i have plenty of experience with winzip.
At nearly every job i've held I have
worked with winzip. how exciting.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is 
> preferred."
>
>
>
> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
> To: nolug at nolug.org
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>
>
>
> Oh geez I thought you were joking.? What a boring job.? At least 
> they're hiring though.? ;)
>
> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>
>
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar 10 10:52:01 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:52:01 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><e27c898e1003100838w3ad583cdj1840636fe631d0c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D0@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764AC@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Winzip sucks. You have to wait for that damn screen to go away.. I use izarc. I wonder if that counts with the new employer?

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Ryan McCain
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:49 AM
To: 'general at brlug.net'
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred

Brad,

I will be letting your employer know that you are looking for a new job. We really value your WinZip experience here so I would please ask you reconsider leaving.

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Brad Bendily
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:38 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred

i've applied. I'm a shoe-in, i have plenty of experience with winzip.
At nearly every job i've held I have
worked with winzip. how exciting.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is 
> preferred."
>
>
>
> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
> To: nolug at nolug.org
> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>
>
>
> Oh geez I thought you were joking.? What a boring job.? At least 
> they're hiring though.? ;)
>
> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>
>
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From karthik at poobal.net  Wed Mar 10 11:00:20 2010
From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobalasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:00:20 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764AC@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><e27c898e1003100838w3ad583cdj1840636fe631d0c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D0@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764AC@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <99701DEA-712B-465F-84AB-48875132CD5D@poobal.net>

What screen? I always use a registered version of winzip. One key to unlock them all. I have installed it so many times that I remember the key by heart. 

--
Karthik Poobalasubramanian
Louisiana Board of Regents
karthik at poobal.net
karthik at la.gov
(225) 341-5855
skype: poobal









On Mar 10, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> Winzip sucks. You have to wait for that damn screen to go away.. I use izarc. I wonder if that counts with the new employer?
> 
> ---
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> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> 
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Ryan McCain
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:49 AM
> To: 'general at brlug.net'
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
> 
> Brad,
> 
> I will be letting your employer know that you are looking for a new job. We really value your WinZip experience here so I would please ask you reconsider leaving.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Brad Bendily
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 10:38 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
> 
> i've applied. I'm a shoe-in, i have plenty of experience with winzip.
> At nearly every job i've held I have
> worked with winzip. how exciting.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
>> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is 
>> preferred."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
>> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
>> To: nolug at nolug.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oh geez I thought you were joking.  What a boring job.  At least 
>> they're hiring though.  ;)
>> 
>> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>> 
>> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
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>> 
> 
> 
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From gremln007 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 11:00:49 2010
From: gremln007 at gmail.com (Jonathan Roberts)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:00:49 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <fcbad9f31003100900l2bc13bfagb4b6a3d4a2a5842f@mail.gmail.com>

What about pkzip from the commandline?  :)

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>wrote:

>  This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
> preferred."
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org [mailto:
> owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] *On Behalf Of *Chris Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
> *To:* nolug at nolug.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>
>
>
> Oh geez I thought you were joking.  What a boring job.  At least they're
> hiring though.  ;)
>
> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>
> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>
>
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Wed Mar 10 11:03:08 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:03:08 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
 experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <fcbad9f31003100900l2bc13bfagb4b6a3d4a2a5842f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<fcbad9f31003100900l2bc13bfagb4b6a3d4a2a5842f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D2@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>

pkxarc



Ryan McCain
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
Phone: 225.505.3832

Registered Linux User #364609



________________________________
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:01 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred

What about pkzip from the commandline?  :)

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com<mailto:dpuryear at puryear-it.com>> wrote:
This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is preferred."

From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org<mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org<mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org>] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
To: nolug at nolug.org<mailto:nolug at nolug.org>
Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred


Oh geez I thought you were joking.  What a boring job.  At least they're hiring though.  ;)
On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net<mailto:joey at joeykelly.net>> wrote:

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html


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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 11:23:00 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:23:00 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu
Message-ID: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>

I am an idiot and somehow lost the BackTrack 4 menu in KDE (I think it's
because KDE fucking sucks). Does anyone know how to restore it? Doing a
reinstall is really not an option...

-- 
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From tfournet at tfour.net  Wed Mar 10 11:41:26 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:41:26 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu
In-Reply-To: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a05b10c1003100941u6d265984i37fca7dfa0a33b38@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know KDE at all, but if that's some sort of a user preference thing,
you can try removing your ~/.kde* directories. (make backups first)


On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am an idiot and somehow lost the BackTrack 4 menu in KDE (I think it's
> because KDE fucking sucks). Does anyone know how to restore it? Doing a
> reinstall is really not an option...
>
> --
> "The world's my oyster, a hotel room's my prison cell..."
>
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar 10 11:42:10 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:42:10 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu
References: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764B5@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

rm -rf /

 

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Jarred White
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:23 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu

 

I am an idiot and somehow lost the BackTrack 4 menu in KDE (I think it's
because KDE fucking sucks). Does anyone know how to restore it? Doing a
reinstall is really not an option...

-- 
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From karthik at poobal.net  Wed Mar 10 11:55:54 2010
From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobalasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:55:54 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu
In-Reply-To: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a1d4a7a1003100955v5ce4b80ct531c664c6bb602e@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a long time since I used KDE and I have never used backtrack
but that's not going to stop me from giving you any advice.

Is your whole menu bar missing or just backtrack applications?


Karthik


On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am an idiot and somehow lost the BackTrack 4 menu in KDE (I think it's
> because KDE fucking sucks). Does anyone know how to restore it? Doing a
> reinstall is really not an option...
>
> --
> "The world's my oyster, a hotel room's my prison cell..."
>
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>



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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 12:02:41 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 12:02:41 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu
In-Reply-To: <a1d4a7a1003100955v5ce4b80ct531c664c6bb602e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a1d4a7a1003100955v5ce4b80ct531c664c6bb602e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2525ABDD-7FA0-4623-BA61-D40F3F909DFF@gmail.com>

Haha, thanks Karthik.

It's just the BT menu within the KDE menu.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Karthik Poobalasubramanian <karthik at poobal.net 
 > wrote:

> It's been a long time since I used KDE and I have never used backtrack
> but that's not going to stop me from giving you any advice.
>
> Is your whole menu bar missing or just backtrack applications?
>
>
> Karthik
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jarred White  
> <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am an idiot and somehow lost the BackTrack 4 menu in KDE (I think  
>> it's
>> because KDE fucking sucks). Does anyone know how to restore it?  
>> Doing a
>> reinstall is really not an option...
>>
>> --
>> "The world's my oyster, a hotel room's my prison cell..."
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at brlug.net
>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> Louisiana Board of Regents
> karthik at la.gov
> karthik at poobal.net
> 225-341-5855
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From joe at fruchey.net  Wed Mar 10 13:03:02 2010
From: joe at fruchey.net (Joe Fruchey)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:03:02 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D2@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<fcbad9f31003100900l2bc13bfagb4b6a3d4a2a5842f@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D2@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
Message-ID: <65ef39b11003101103h4b263a56vc5a9a671c2853df7@mail.gmail.com>

Do people not realize that WinXP and up has zip functionality built
in? I've seen WinZip installed on way too many XP machines. Actually,
I think Me could use zip as well.

Granted, you can't span archives or set your compression level, but
you can still zip and unzip, which is 97.4% of what archiving apps are
used for.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov> wrote:
> pkxarc
>
>
>
> Ryan McCain
> Northrop Grumman Corporation
> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
> Phone: 225.505.3832
>
> Registered Linux User #364609
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Roberts
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:01 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with
> WinZip preferred
>
> What about pkzip from the commandline?? :)
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
>> preferred."
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
>> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
>> To: nolug at nolug.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh geez I thought you were joking.? What a boring job.? At least they're
>> hiring though.? ;)
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>>
>> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From bendily at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 13:07:23 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:07:23 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu
In-Reply-To: <2525ABDD-7FA0-4623-BA61-D40F3F909DFF@gmail.com>
References: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a1d4a7a1003100955v5ce4b80ct531c664c6bb602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2525ABDD-7FA0-4623-BA61-D40F3F909DFF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e27c898e1003101107w74b52a9eo345744172aa9b83b@mail.gmail.com>

create a new user and see if you get it back from there?
kde has a kmenuedit command, so if you get the full menu from your new
user you should
be able to export stuff from that user and the import it into your
existing user account.
or just start using a new username.


On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
> Haha, thanks Karthik.
>
> It's just the BT menu within the KDE menu.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Karthik Poobalasubramanian <karthik at poobal.net
> ?> wrote:
>
>> It's been a long time since I used KDE and I have never used backtrack
>> but that's not going to stop me from giving you any advice.
>>
>> Is your whole menu bar missing or just backtrack applications?
>>
>>
>> Karthik
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jarred White
>> <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am an idiot and somehow lost the BackTrack 4 menu in KDE (I think
>>> it's
>>> because KDE fucking sucks). Does anyone know how to restore it?
>>> Doing a
>>> reinstall is really not an option...
>>>
>>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Louisiana Board of Regents
>> karthik at la.gov
>> karthik at poobal.net
>> 225-341-5855
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 13:08:24 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:08:24 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu
In-Reply-To: <e27c898e1003101107w74b52a9eo345744172aa9b83b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a1d4a7a1003100955v5ce4b80ct531c664c6bb602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2525ABDD-7FA0-4623-BA61-D40F3F909DFF@gmail.com>
	<e27c898e1003101107w74b52a9eo345744172aa9b83b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <594377841003101108i67f4cbedkb665858edb4d2456@mail.gmail.com>

That's not a bad idea. I'll try it.

Thanks braid.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Brad Bendily <bendily at gmail.com> wrote:

> create a new user and see if you get it back from there?
> kde has a kmenuedit command, so if you get the full menu from your new
> user you should
> be able to export stuff from that user and the import it into your
> existing user account.
> or just start using a new username.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Haha, thanks Karthik.
> >
> > It's just the BT menu within the KDE menu.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Karthik Poobalasubramanian <
> karthik at poobal.net
> >  > wrote:
> >
> >> It's been a long time since I used KDE and I have never used backtrack
> >> but that's not going to stop me from giving you any advice.
> >>
> >> Is your whole menu bar missing or just backtrack applications?
> >>
> >>
> >> Karthik
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jarred White
> >> <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I am an idiot and somehow lost the BackTrack 4 menu in KDE (I think
> >>> it's
> >>> because KDE fucking sucks). Does anyone know how to restore it?
> >>> Doing a
> >>> reinstall is really not an option...
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> "The world's my oyster, a hotel room's my prison cell..."
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> General mailing list
> >>> General at brlug.net
> >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Karthik Poobalasubramanian
> >> Louisiana Board of Regents
> >> karthik at la.gov
> >> karthik at poobal.net
> >> 225-341-5855
> >> Skype: poobal
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > General mailing list
> > General at brlug.net
> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >
>
>
>
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>
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar 10 13:40:32 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:40:32 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><fcbad9f31003100900l2bc13bfagb4b6a3d4a2a5842f@mail.gmail.com><43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D2@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<65ef39b11003101103h4b263a56vc5a9a671c2853df7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764B8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

FYI, I've seen the built-in XP zip functionality crash now and then on large zip's. So if you handle zip's often, then something like WinZIP or Izarc is much better.

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-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Joe Fruchey
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:03 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,experience with WinZip preferred

Do people not realize that WinXP and up has zip functionality built
in? I've seen WinZip installed on way too many XP machines. Actually,
I think Me could use zip as well.

Granted, you can't span archives or set your compression level, but
you can still zip and unzip, which is 97.4% of what archiving apps are
used for.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov> wrote:
> pkxarc
>
>
>
> Ryan McCain
> Northrop Grumman Corporation
> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
> Phone: 225.505.3832
>
> Registered Linux User #364609
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Roberts
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:01 AM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with
> WinZip preferred
>
> What about pkzip from the commandline?? :)
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
>> preferred."
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
>> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
>> To: nolug at nolug.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh geez I thought you were joking.? What a boring job.? At least they're
>> hiring though.? ;)
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>>
>> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at brlug.net
>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>
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>
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From joe at fruchey.net  Wed Mar 10 13:51:49 2010
From: joe at fruchey.net (Joe Fruchey)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:51:49 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764B8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<fcbad9f31003100900l2bc13bfagb4b6a3d4a2a5842f@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D2@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<65ef39b11003101103h4b263a56vc5a9a671c2853df7@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764B8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <65ef39b11003101151g6387aeh12e524036f615108@mail.gmail.com>

Or 7-zip. Not Winzip though.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
> FYI, I've seen the built-in XP zip functionality crash now and then on large zip's. So if you handle zip's often, then something like WinZIP or Izarc is much better.
>
> ---
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> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Joe Fruchey
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:03 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,experience with WinZip preferred
>
> Do people not realize that WinXP and up has zip functionality built
> in? I've seen WinZip installed on way too many XP machines. Actually,
> I think Me could use zip as well.
>
> Granted, you can't span archives or set your compression level, but
> you can still zip and unzip, which is 97.4% of what archiving apps are
> used for.
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov> wrote:
>> pkxarc
>>
>>
>>
>> Ryan McCain
>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>> Phone: 225.505.3832
>>
>> Registered Linux User #364609
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf
>> Of Jonathan Roberts
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:01 AM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with
>> WinZip preferred
>>
>> What about pkzip from the commandline?? :)
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
>>> preferred."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
>>> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
>>> To: nolug at nolug.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh geez I thought you were joking.? What a boring job.? At least they're
>>> hiring though.? ;)
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> General mailing list
>>> General at brlug.net
>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 13:52:46 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:52:46 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <65ef39b11003101151g6387aeh12e524036f615108@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<fcbad9f31003100900l2bc13bfagb4b6a3d4a2a5842f@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D2@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<65ef39b11003101103h4b263a56vc5a9a671c2853df7@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764B8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<65ef39b11003101151g6387aeh12e524036f615108@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <594377841003101152j3c0784d1h1a1bac06860defe7@mail.gmail.com>

<3 7zip.

Also I've had trouble opening passworded zips with Windows built-in zip
function.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Joe Fruchey <joe at fruchey.net> wrote:

> Or 7-zip. Not Winzip though.
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> wrote:
> > FYI, I've seen the built-in XP zip functionality crash now and then on
> large zip's. So if you handle zip's often, then something like WinZIP or
> Izarc is much better.
> >
> > ---
> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >
> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Joe Fruchey
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:03 PM
> > To: general at brlug.net
> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,experience with
> WinZip preferred
> >
> > Do people not realize that WinXP and up has zip functionality built
> > in? I've seen WinZip installed on way too many XP machines. Actually,
> > I think Me could use zip as well.
> >
> > Granted, you can't span archives or set your compression level, but
> > you can still zip and unzip, which is 97.4% of what archiving apps are
> > used for.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov>
> wrote:
> >> pkxarc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ryan McCain
> >> Northrop Grumman Corporation
> >> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
> >> Phone: 225.505.3832
> >>
> >> Registered Linux User #364609
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf
> >> Of Jonathan Roberts
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:01 AM
> >> To: general at brlug.net
> >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with
> >> WinZip preferred
> >>
> >> What about pkzip from the commandline?  :)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <
> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
> >>> preferred."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
> >>> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
> >>> To: nolug at nolug.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Oh geez I thought you were joking.  What a boring job.  At least
> they're
> >>> hiring though.  ;)
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> General mailing list
> >>> General at brlug.net
> >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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From gremln007 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 14:02:37 2010
From: gremln007 at gmail.com (Jonathan Roberts)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:02:37 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
	experience with WinZip 	preferred
In-Reply-To: <594377841003101152j3c0784d1h1a1bac06860defe7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<fcbad9f31003100900l2bc13bfagb4b6a3d4a2a5842f@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11D2@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>
	<65ef39b11003101103h4b263a56vc5a9a671c2853df7@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764B8@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<65ef39b11003101151g6387aeh12e524036f615108@mail.gmail.com>
	<594377841003101152j3c0784d1h1a1bac06860defe7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fcbad9f31003101202l1053217fh63e59693447d27b@mail.gmail.com>

Third's on 7zip.  It works great with encrypted zips (from WinZip and
others) too.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:

> <3 7zip.
>
> Also I've had trouble opening passworded zips with Windows built-in zip
> function.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Joe Fruchey <joe at fruchey.net> wrote:
>
>> Or 7-zip. Not Winzip though.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>> wrote:
>> > FYI, I've seen the built-in XP zip functionality crash now and then on
>> large zip's. So if you handle zip's often, then something like WinZIP or
>> Izarc is much better.
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>> >
>> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of Joe Fruchey
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:03 PM
>> > To: general at brlug.net
>> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,experience with
>> WinZip preferred
>> >
>> > Do people not realize that WinXP and up has zip functionality built
>> > in? I've seen WinZip installed on way too many XP machines. Actually,
>> > I think Me could use zip as well.
>> >
>> > Granted, you can't span archives or set your compression level, but
>> > you can still zip and unzip, which is 97.4% of what archiving apps are
>> > used for.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ryan McCain <Ryan.McCain at la.gov>
>> wrote:
>> >> pkxarc
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ryan McCain
>> >> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>> >> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>> >> Phone: 225.505.3832
>> >>
>> >> Registered Linux User #364609
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf
>> >> Of Jonathan Roberts
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:01 AM
>> >> To: general at brlug.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with
>> >> WinZip preferred
>> >>
>> >> What about pkzip from the commandline?  :)
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear <
>> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
>> >>> preferred."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
>> >>> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
>> >>> To: nolug at nolug.org
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Oh geez I thought you were joking.  What a boring job.  At least
>> they're
>> >>> hiring though.  ;)
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> General mailing list
>> >>> General at brlug.net
>> >>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
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From karthik at poobal.net  Wed Mar 10 14:15:02 2010
From: karthik at poobal.net (Karthik Poobalasubramanian)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:15:02 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] BackTrack 4 menu
In-Reply-To: <594377841003101108i67f4cbedkb665858edb4d2456@mail.gmail.com>
References: <594377841003100923u39d3084dtddc65b8e696bc53e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a1d4a7a1003100955v5ce4b80ct531c664c6bb602e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2525ABDD-7FA0-4623-BA61-D40F3F909DFF@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <64905731-A319-4A4F-A6C0-04079765D22C@poobal.net>

Yeah. What Braid said. 

I was going to say use the live CD to get the kde menu config files but Brad's method probably will work better. 



--
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karthik at la.gov
(225) 341-5855
skype: poobal









On Mar 10, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Jarred White wrote:

> That's not a bad idea. I'll try it.
> 
> Thanks braid. 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Brad Bendily <bendily at gmail.com> wrote:
> create a new user and see if you get it back from there?
> kde has a kmenuedit command, so if you get the full menu from your new
> user you should
> be able to export stuff from that user and the import it into your
> existing user account.
> or just start using a new username.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Haha, thanks Karthik.
> >
> > It's just the BT menu within the KDE menu.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 10, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Karthik Poobalasubramanian <karthik at poobal.net
> >  > wrote:
> >
> >> It's been a long time since I used KDE and I have never used backtrack
> >> but that's not going to stop me from giving you any advice.
> >>
> >> Is your whole menu bar missing or just backtrack applications?
> >>
> >>
> >> Karthik
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Jarred White
> >> <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I am an idiot and somehow lost the BackTrack 4 menu in KDE (I think
> >>> it's
> >>> because KDE fucking sucks). Does anyone know how to restore it?
> >>> Doing a
> >>> reinstall is really not an option...
> >>>
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From yates at cct.lsu.edu  Wed Mar 10 14:19:48 2010
From: yates at cct.lsu.edu (Adam Yates)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:19:48 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Sysadmin Job - CCT at LSU
Message-ID: <4B97FEE4.6090100@cct.lsu.edu>

Hi everyone;
We're looking to hire a helpdesk manager that is well versed in
both linux and OSX.  See the post below for details and feel free to contact
me if you have any questions (yates at cct.lsu.edu).

source:
https://lsusystemcareers.lsu.edu/applicants/jsp/shared/frameset/Frameset.jsp?time=1268252052821

Thanks!
Adam
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Job Title:
Manager

Working Title:
User Support Manager

Position Type:
Professional (Unclassified)

Department:
16501 - Center for Computation & Technology

Campus:
0601 - LSU

Summary:
The Manager installs, operates and manages desktops and laptops at the 
Center for Computation and Technology (CCT); automates tasks as much as 
possible through development of scripts and administration tools; 
documents the procedures involved; handles daily maintenance of 
production servers; works closely with the Assistant Director of 
Research and Advanced Computing in design, deployment and administration 
of computing resources; manages Help Desk Ticketing system; acts as 
primary contact for all support issues with desktops, laptops, computing 
services like e-mail, calendaring, wikis, etc and web-based workflow 
systems; works in team with infrastructure group to report and resolve 
support issues on all production servers; manages updates and extend 
support to CCT website and custom developed applications at CCT; works 
with CCT HR and staff to build machine configurations for new hires; 
manages inventory of desktops and laptops; assists Assistant Director of 
Research and Advanced Computing with equipment recycling and ordering 
basic laptop/desktop upgrades for the Center; manages all the Access 
Grid and video conferencing nodes at CCT; supports all the Audio/Video 
operations both at CCT and at all the events hosted by CCT.

Required Qualifications:
Bachelor's degree in computer science or related field; two years of 
Windows/Mac/Linux system administration experience; proven experience 
and skill in hardware and software administration, troubleshooting and 
support, especially support; familiarity with common network topologies, 
protocols, and tools; knowledge of TCP/IP networking; strong programming 
and scripting ability (Python, Perl, PHP, bash); should be comfortable 
in using at least one of the directory management systems, LDAP is 
preferred.

Desired Qualifications:
Extensive knowledge of Linux server administration; basic knowledge of 
storage systems; experience with CVS and/or SVN server management; 
experience with Mac OS X server; any Database server management 
experience; excellent verbal and written skills; outstanding customer 
service abilities.

Special instructions to Applicants:
Please provide 3 professional references including name, title, phone 
number and e-mail address.

Additional Position Information:
An offer of employment is contingent on a satisfactory pre-employment 
background check.
Application deadline is March 19, 2010 or until a candidate is selected.

For more information about the Center for Computation & Technology, 
please view our website at www.cct.lsu.edu/home.

BENEFITS: LSU offers outstanding benefits to eligible employees and 
their dependents including health, life, dental, and vision insurance; 
flexible spending accounts; retirement options; annual and sick leave; 
14 paid holidays; wellness benefits; tuition exemption; training and 
development opportunities; employee discounts; and more!


-- 
Adam Yates
Systems Administrator -- Research Infrastructure
Center for Computation and Technology
232 Johnston Hall,
Baton Rouge, LA 70803
W: 225.578.8235    C: 225.663.0218
<yates at cct.lsu.edu>

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From eac at motion-labs.com  Wed Mar 10 16:24:00 2010
From: eac at motion-labs.com (Edmund Cramp)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:24:00 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Sysadmin Job - CCT at LSU
In-Reply-To: <4B97FEE4.6090100@cct.lsu.edu>
Message-ID: <68c15422.1cac0a0.bd3725.1ce9@motion-labs.com>

Ok - all you guys WITHOUT WinZip experience can apply for this.

________________________________

From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Adam Yates
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 2:20 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Sysadmin Job - CCT at LSU


Hi everyone;
We're looking to hire a helpdesk manager that is well versed in
both linux and OSX.  See the post below for details and feel free to contact
me if you have any questions (yates at cct.lsu.edu).

source:  
https://lsusystemcareers.lsu.edu/applicants/jsp/shared/frameset/Frameset.jsp?time=1268252052821

Thanks!
Adam
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Job Title:
Manager

Working Title:
User Support Manager

Position Type:
Professional (Unclassified)

Department:
16501 - Center for Computation & Technology

Campus:
0601 - LSU

Summary:
The Manager installs, operates and manages desktops and laptops at the Center for Computation and Technology (CCT); automates tasks as much as possible through development of scripts and administration tools; documents the procedures involved; handles daily maintenance of production servers; works closely with the Assistant Director of Research and Advanced Computing in design, deployment and administration of computing resources; manages Help Desk Ticketing system; acts as primary contact for all support issues with desktops, laptops, computing services like e-mail, calendaring, wikis, etc and web-based workflow systems; works in team with infrastructure group to report and resolve support issues on all production servers; manages updates and extend support to CCT website and custom developed applications at CCT; works with CCT HR and staff to build machine configurations for new hires; manages inventory of desktops and laptops; assists Assistant Director of Research and Advanced Computing with equipment recycling and ordering basic laptop/desktop upgrades for the Center; manages all the Access Grid and video conferencing nodes at CCT; supports all the Audio/Video operations both at CCT and at all the events hosted by CCT.  

Required Qualifications:
Bachelor's degree in computer science or related field; two years of Windows/Mac/Linux system administration experience; proven experience and skill in hardware and software administration, troubleshooting and support, especially support; familiarity with common network topologies, protocols, and tools; knowledge of TCP/IP networking; strong programming and scripting ability (Python, Perl, PHP, bash); should be comfortable in using at least one of the directory management systems, LDAP is preferred.  

Desired Qualifications:
Extensive knowledge of Linux server administration; basic knowledge of storage systems; experience with CVS and/or SVN server management; experience with Mac OS X server; any Database server management experience; excellent verbal and written skills; outstanding customer service abilities.  

Special instructions to Applicants:
Please provide 3 professional references including name, title, phone number and e-mail address.   

Additional Position Information:
An offer of employment is contingent on a satisfactory pre-employment background check. 
Application deadline is March 19, 2010 or until a candidate is selected. 

For more information about the Center for Computation & Technology, please view our website at www.cct.lsu.edu/home. 

BENEFITS: LSU offers outstanding benefits to eligible employees and their dependents including health, life, dental, and vision insurance; flexible spending accounts; retirement options; annual and sick leave; 14 paid holidays; wellness benefits; tuition exemption; training and development opportunities; employee discounts; and more! 



-- 
Adam Yates
Systems Administrator -- Research Infrastructure
Center for Computation and Technology
232 Johnston Hall,
Baton Rouge, LA 70803
W: 225.578.8235    C: 225.663.0218
<yates at cct.lsu.edu> <mailto:yates at cct.lsu.edu> 





From ray at ops.selu.edu  Wed Mar 10 16:35:18 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:35:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob,
 experience with WinZip  preferred
In-Reply-To: <e27c898e1003100838w3ad583cdj1840636fe631d0c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17649E@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<e27c898e1003100838w3ad583cdj1840636fe631d0c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.1003101633300.8838@romulus.csd.selu.edu>


When you get there, lead the migration to 7zip, saving hundreds of 
thousands of dollars in license fees, which should get you promoted to 
CIO.  Then, remember whose idea it was.

ray


On Wed, 10 Mar 2010, Brad Bendily wrote:

> i've applied. I'm a shoe-in, i have plenty of experience with winzip.
> At nearly every job i've held I have
> worked with winzip. how exciting.
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Dustin Puryear
> <dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
>> This is funny. The job actually states that "WinZip experience is
>> preferred."
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org
>> [mailto:owner-nolug at stoney.kellynet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Jones
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:53 PM
>> To: nolug at nolug.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nolug] sysadmin sjob, experience with WinZip preferred
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh geez I thought you were joking.? What a boring job.? At least they're
>> hiring though.? ;)
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2010 8:50 PM, "Joey Kelly" <joey at joeykelly.net> wrote:
>>
>> http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/sad/1635413529.html
>>
>>
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Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
IBM Certified Specialist  	      AIX Administration, AIX Support
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Thu Mar 11 09:02:43 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:02:43 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Interesting:

 

http://about.digg.com/node/564

 

Digg is moving away from MySQL due to performance.

 

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Thu Mar 11 10:44:03 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:44:03 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Fest! Star Wars in concert at Baton Rouge
	River Center
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764EB@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

http://www.starwarsinconcert.com/

 

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1B004464815A1FDA?artistid=1344151&majo
rcatid=10002&minorcatid=203

 

I'm definitely going and dragging the lady along (kicking and
screaming).

 

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From mat.branyon at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 11:17:02 2010
From: mat.branyon at gmail.com (mat branyon)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:17:02 -0700
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>

just one more thing that digg does after reddit

On Mar 11, 2010 8:03 AM, "Dustin Puryear" <dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:

 Interesting:



http://about.digg.com/node/564



Digg is moving away from MySQL due to performance.



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From tfournet at tfour.net  Thu Mar 11 15:10:22 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:10:22 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com>

The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's that
they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a key/value
type database.
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Thu Mar 11 15:44:36 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:44:36 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
their cloud solution.

 

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Tim Fournet
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL

 

The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
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From torrancew at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 15:53:04 2010
From: torrancew at gmail.com (Warren "Tray" Torrance)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:53:04 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <19c66d9e1003111353m5660fe6dgbf7336ea1ac32a5a@mail.gmail.com>

I've noticed the mumblings of an anti-relational db revolution in a few
places...

Warren "Tray" Torrance


On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 15:44, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>wrote:

>  Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> their cloud solution.
>
>
>
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>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
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>
> *From:* general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] *On
> Behalf Of *Tim Fournet
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> *To:* general at brlug.net
> *Subject:* Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>
>
>
> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's that
> they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a key/value
> type database.
>
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From ray at ops.selu.edu  Thu Mar 11 16:07:18 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:07:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.1003111556270.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>


That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security, 
application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting 
I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."

Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that 
they don't exactly know what it means.

ray

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> their cloud solution.
>
>
>
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>
>
>
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>
>
>
> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
> that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
> key/value type database.
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
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Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
IBM Certified Specialist  	      AIX Administration, AIX Support
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=




From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Fri Mar 12 10:03:32 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:03:32 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local><d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com><a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com><43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003111556270.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17651C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.

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Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies

Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
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-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of -ray
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL


That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security, 
application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting 
I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."

Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that

they don't exactly know what it means.

ray

On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:

> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> their cloud solution.
>
>
>
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>
>
>
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>
>
>
> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
> that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
> key/value type database.
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Ray DeJean  				       	 http://www.r-a-y.org
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From torrancew at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 11:26:39 2010
From: torrancew at gmail.com (Warren "Tray" Torrance)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:26:39 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17651C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003111556270.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17651C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <19c66d9e1003120926x66241b98he49293ff7b9c59ff@mail.gmail.com>

Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room... just
yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".

Warren "Tray" Torrance


On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>wrote:

> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>
>
> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
>
> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that
>
> they don't exactly know what it means.
>
> ray
>
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
> > Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> > their cloud solution.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >
> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
> >
> >
> >
> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> > Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> > To: general at brlug.net
> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >
> >
> >
> > The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
> > that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
> > key/value type database.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 11:35:00 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:35:00 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <19c66d9e1003120926x66241b98he49293ff7b9c59ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003111556270.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17651C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<19c66d9e1003120926x66241b98he49293ff7b9c59ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA41C618-630C-4356-8BB0-4F2748BB9F44@gmail.com>

Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've  
had for like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a  
loooong time.

Which network is the channel on?

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <torrancew at gmail.com 
 > wrote:

> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room...  
> just yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
>
> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear- 
> it.com> wrote:
> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>
> ---
> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>
> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> Behalf Of -ray
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
> To: general at brlug.net
> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>
>
> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
>
> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit  
> that
>
> they don't exactly know what it means.
>
> ray
>
> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
> > Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> > their cloud solution.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >
> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
> >
> >
> >
> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]  
> On
> > Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> > To: general at brlug.net
> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >
> >
> >
> > The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL.  
> It's
> > that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
> > key/value type database.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
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From torrancew at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 11:40:46 2010
From: torrancew at gmail.com (Warren "Tray" Torrance)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:40:46 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CA41C618-630C-4356-8BB0-4F2748BB9F44@gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003111556270.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17651C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<19c66d9e1003120926x66241b98he49293ff7b9c59ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA41C618-630C-4356-8BB0-4F2748BB9F44@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19c66d9e1003120940o7e18ea1ble263a2ee70c6728c@mail.gmail.com>

#linuxjournal on FreeNode - A fair warning though, we're all crazy in there.
Smart and friendly, but crazy :)

Warren "Tray" Torrance


On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:35, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had for
> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong time.
>
> Which network is the channel on?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
> torrancew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room... just
> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
>
> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear < <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
>
>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>>
>> ---
>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/
>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>
>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>  <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <general-bounces at brlug.net>general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:<general-bounces at brlug.net>
>> general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of -ray
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>> To: <general at brlug.net>general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>
>>
>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
>>
>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that
>>
>> they don't exactly know what it means.
>>
>> ray
>>
>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>
>> > Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
>> > their cloud solution.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/
>> > < <http://www.puryear-it.com/>http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>> >
>> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>> > < <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: <general-bounces at brlug.net>general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:<general-bounces at brlug.net>
>> general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> > Behalf Of Tim Fournet
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
>> > To: <general at brlug.net>general at brlug.net
>> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
>> > that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
>> > key/value type database.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> Ray DeJean                                       <http://www.r-a-y.org>
>> http://www.r-a-y.org
>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
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>>
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 11:44:41 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:44:41 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <19c66d9e1003120940o7e18ea1ble263a2ee70c6728c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003111556270.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17651C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<19c66d9e1003120926x66241b98he49293ff7b9c59ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA41C618-630C-4356-8BB0-4F2748BB9F44@gmail.com>
	<19c66d9e1003120940o7e18ea1ble263a2ee70c6728c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <594377841003120944v934e3b3me411c3c57ac591c6@mail.gmail.com>

That's okay. If there's one thing I have learned from IRC it's that everyone
on IRC is crazy.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Warren "Tray" Torrance <
torrancew at gmail.com> wrote:

> #linuxjournal on FreeNode - A fair warning though, we're all crazy in
> there. Smart and friendly, but crazy :)
>
> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:35, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had
>> for like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong time.
>>
>> Which network is the channel on?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
>> torrancew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room... just
>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
>>
>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear < <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>> dpuryear at puryear-it.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>
>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>>  <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <general-bounces at brlug.net>general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:<general-bounces at brlug.net>
>>> general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>>> Behalf Of -ray
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>>> To: <general at brlug.net>general at brlug.net
>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>
>>>
>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
>>>
>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that
>>>
>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
>>>
>>> ray
>>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>>
>>> > Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
>>> > their cloud solution.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ---
>>> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>> > < <http://www.puryear-it.com/>http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>>> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>> >
>>> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>> > < <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: <general-bounces at brlug.net>general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:<general-bounces at brlug.net>
>>> general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>>> > Behalf Of Tim Fournet
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
>>> > To: <general at brlug.net>general at brlug.net
>>> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
>>> > that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
>>> > key/value type database.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>> Ray DeJean                                       <http://www.r-a-y.org>
>>> http://www.r-a-y.org
>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
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From torrancew at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 11:47:55 2010
From: torrancew at gmail.com (Warren "Tray" Torrance)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:47:55 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <594377841003120944v934e3b3me411c3c57ac591c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
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	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17651C@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<19c66d9e1003120926x66241b98he49293ff7b9c59ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA41C618-630C-4356-8BB0-4F2748BB9F44@gmail.com>
	<19c66d9e1003120940o7e18ea1ble263a2ee70c6728c@mail.gmail.com>
	<594377841003120944v934e3b3me411c3c57ac591c6@mail.gmail.com>
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That's a fair observation. I'm convinced that there are enough personality disorders there (IRC) to write a psych. dissertation on.
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 11:50:01 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:50:01 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <1268416075.6958.5.camel@Nokia-N900-51-1>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<a05b10c1003111310t2515ebfei5c763c975f2e1995@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176514@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
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	<19c66d9e1003120940o7e18ea1ble263a2ee70c6728c@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1268416075.6958.5.camel@Nokia-N900-51-1>
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I actually have wanted to write a book about IRC and other subcultures for
years. A person in a channel I frequent is doing her grad project on the
relationships/bonds formed via IRC.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Warren "Tray" Torrance <
torrancew at gmail.com> wrote:

>  That's a fair observation. I'm convinced that there are enough
> personality disorders there (IRC) to write a psych. dissertation on.
>
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From ray at ops.selu.edu  Fri Mar 12 14:55:59 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:55:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <CA41C618-630C-4356-8BB0-4F2748BB9F44@gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<d7b9a19e1003110917l49ce84a0l47eab5193b49268a@mail.gmail.com>
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Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a long time but 
I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a stack of old 
SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.

Oh, what's IRC?


On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:

> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had for 
> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong time.
>
> Which network is the channel on?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <torrancew at gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>
>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room... just 
>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
>> 
>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com> 
>> wrote:
>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>> 
>> ---
>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>> 
>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> Behalf Of -ray
>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>> 
>> 
>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
>> 
>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that
>> 
>> they don't exactly know what it means.
>> 
>> ray
>> 
>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>> 
>> > Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
>> > their cloud solution.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>> >
>> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> > Behalf Of Tim Fournet
>> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
>> > To: general at brlug.net
>> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
>> > that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
>> > key/value type database.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> --
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> 
>> 
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>> General at brlug.net
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>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>> 
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>> General at brlug.net
>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
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Ray DeJean  				       	 http://www.r-a-y.org
Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
IBM Certified Specialist  	      AIX Administration, AIX Support
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 15:03:35 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:03:35 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.1003121453130.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
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Message-ID: <594377841003121303k5a6e0f39s4264f2d265918cfc@mail.gmail.com>

serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:

>
> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a long time but
> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a stack of old
> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
>
> Oh, what's IRC?
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>
> > Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had
> for
> > like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong time.
> >
> > Which network is the channel on?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
> torrancew at gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room... just
> >> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
> >>
> >> Warren "Tray" Torrance
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >>
> >> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> >> Behalf Of -ray
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
> >> To: general at brlug.net
> >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >>
> >>
> >> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
> >> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
> >> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
> >>
> >> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that
> >>
> >> they don't exactly know what it means.
> >>
> >> ray
> >>
> >> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> >>
> >> > Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> >> > their cloud solution.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> >> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >> >
> >> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> >> > Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> >> > To: general at brlug.net
> >> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
> >> > that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
> >> > key/value type database.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> >> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> >> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
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From sroddy at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 15:35:31 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:35:31 +1800
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.1003121453130.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local> 
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:

>
> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a long time but
> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a stack of old
> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
>

I really miss SysAdmin mag.


>
> Oh, what's IRC?
>
>
It's one of those really old protocols... like Gopher.  :P


>
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>
> > Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had
> for
> > like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong time.
> >
> > Which network is the channel on?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
> torrancew at gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room... just
> >> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
> >>
> >> Warren "Tray" Torrance
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >>
> >> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> >> Behalf Of -ray
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
> >> To: general at brlug.net
> >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >>
> >>
> >> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
> >> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
> >> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
> >>
> >> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that
> >>
> >> they don't exactly know what it means.
> >>
> >> ray
> >>
> >> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> >>
> >> > Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> >> > their cloud solution.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---
> >> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> >> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >> >
> >> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> >> > Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> >> > To: general at brlug.net
> >> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
> >> > that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
> >> > key/value type database.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> >> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> >> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:39:48 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
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yeah it stands for internet relay chat.

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Shannon Roddy <sroddy at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a long time but
>> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a stack of old
>> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
>>
>
> I really miss SysAdmin mag.
>
>
>>
>> Oh, what's IRC?
>>
>>
> It's one of those really old protocols... like Gopher.  :P
>
>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>
>> > Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had
>> for
>> > like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong time.
>> >
>> > Which network is the channel on?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
>> torrancew at gmail.com
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room... just
>> >> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
>> >>
>> >> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>> >>
>> >> ---
>> >> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>> >> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>> >> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>> >>
>> >> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> >> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>> >> Behalf Of -ray
>> >> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>> >> To: general at brlug.net
>> >> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
>> >> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
>> >> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
>> >>
>> >> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit
>> that
>> >>
>> >> they don't exactly know what it means.
>> >>
>> >> ray
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
>> >> > their cloud solution.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ---
>> >> > Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>> >> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>> >> > Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>> >> > Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>> >> >
>> >> > Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>> >> > http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>> >> > <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]
>> On
>> >> > Behalf Of Tim Fournet
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
>> >> > To: general at brlug.net
>> >> > Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
>> >> > that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
>> >> > key/value type database.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> >> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>> >> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>> >> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
>> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> >>
>> >>
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>>
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>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
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From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:42:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
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Sorry... it was a joke. :)

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:

> serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a long time but
>> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a stack of old
>> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
>>
>> Oh, what's IRC?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>
>>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had
>> for
>>> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong time.
>>>
>>> Which network is the channel on?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
>> torrancew at gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room... just
>>>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
>>>>
>>>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>
>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>>>> Behalf Of -ray
>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
>>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
>>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
>>>>
>>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit that
>>>>
>>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
>>>>
>>>> ray
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
>>>>> their cloud solution.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>>
>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
>>>>> that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
>>>>> key/value type database.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>
>>
>> --
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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>>
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 15:43:08 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:43:08 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
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SEE?!

I was thinking that an AIX guy should probably know what IRC is :P

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:

>
> Sorry... it was a joke. :)
>
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>
> > serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a long time
> but
> >> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a stack of
> old
> >> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
> >>
> >> Oh, what's IRC?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had
> >> for
> >>> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong
> time.
> >>>
> >>> Which network is the channel on?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
> >> torrancew at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room...
> just
> >>>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
> >>>>
> >>>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <
> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
> >>>>
> >>>> ---
> >>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >>>>
> >>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> >>>> Behalf Of -ray
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
> >>>> To: general at brlug.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
> >>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
> >>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
> >>>>
> >>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit
> that
> >>>>
> >>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
> >>>>
> >>>> ray
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> >>>>> their cloud solution.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> >>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]
> On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> >>>>> To: general at brlug.net
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
> >>>>> that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
> >>>>> key/value type database.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> >>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> >>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> General mailing list
> >>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> General mailing list
> >>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>
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> >>>> General mailing list
> >>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
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> >> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> >> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> >> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
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> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
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>
>
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From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:05:04 -0600 (CST)
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Haha... I will admit to contributing to the death of IRC by blocking the 
IRC ports on campus back in the day.  This was shortly after IRC was 
renamed to BNCCRN (BotNet Command/Control Relay Network).  We also got 
tired of our T1's getting flooded everytime someone called the wrong 
person "stupid" on IRC.

Although the best time on IRC was going into a channel and saying "My 
computer is completely unhackable."  Then argue with some of the kiddies 
for a bit... then say "Go ahead and try if you want, but I guarantee you 
can't do it.  My IP is 127.0.0.1."

ray


On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:

> SEE?!
>
> I was thinking that an AIX guy should probably know what IRC is :P
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry... it was a joke. :)
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>
>>> serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a long time
>> but
>>>> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a stack of
>> old
>>>> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, what's IRC?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had
>>>> for
>>>>> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong
>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which network is the channel on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
>>>> torrancew at gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room...
>> just
>>>>>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <
>> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of -ray
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
>>>>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
>>>>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit
>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ray
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
>>>>>>> their cloud solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
>>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]
>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
>>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
>>>>>>> that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
>>>>>>> key/value type database.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>>>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>>>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> General mailing list
>> General at brlug.net
>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>
>
>
>
>

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Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
IBM Certified Specialist  	      AIX Administration, AIX Support
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From bendily at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 16:11:44 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:11:44 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
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Yeah. Ray is old school. He was using windows 95 in 1987.



On Mar 12, 2010, at 4:05 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:

>
> Haha... I will admit to contributing to the death of IRC by blocking  
> the
> IRC ports on campus back in the day.  This was shortly after IRC was
> renamed to BNCCRN (BotNet Command/Control Relay Network).  We also got
> tired of our T1's getting flooded everytime someone called the wrong
> person "stupid" on IRC.
>
> Although the best time on IRC was going into a channel and saying "My
> computer is completely unhackable."  Then argue with some of the  
> kiddies
> for a bit... then say "Go ahead and try if you want, but I guarantee  
> you
> can't do it.  My IP is 127.0.0.1."
>
> ray
>
>
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>
>> SEE?!
>>
>> I was thinking that an AIX guy should probably know what IRC is :P
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry... it was a joke. :)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>>
>>>> serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a  
>>>>> long time
>>> but
>>>>> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a  
>>>>> stack of
>>> old
>>>>> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, what's IRC?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that  
>>>>>> I've had
>>>>> for
>>>>>> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a  
>>>>>> loooong
>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which network is the channel on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
>>>>> torrancew at gmail.com
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC  
>>>>>>> room...
>>> just
>>>>>>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the  
>>>>>>> cloud".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <
>>> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX  
>>>>>>> Servers"
>>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general- 
>>>>>>> bounces at brlug.net] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of -ray
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network,  
>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the  
>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with  
>>>>>>> it."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will  
>>>>>>> admit
>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ray
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon  
>>>>>>>> pushes it in
>>>>>>>> their cloud solution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>>>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX  
>>>>>>>> Servers"
>>>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general- 
>>>>>>>> bounces at brlug.net]
>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from  
>>>>>>>> MySQL. It's
>>>>>>>> that they're getting away from a relational database and  
>>>>>>>> moving to a
>>>>>>>> key/value type database.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=
>>>>>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>>>>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana  
>>>>>>> University
>>>>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX  
>>>>>>> Support
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
>>>>> =-=-=
>>>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana  
>>>>> University
>>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX  
>>>>> Support
>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
>>>>> =-=-=
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
>>> =-=
>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a- 
>>> y.org
>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana  
>>> University
>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX  
>>> Support
>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
>>> =-=
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
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From ray at ops.selu.edu  Fri Mar 12 16:35:37 2010
From: ray at ops.selu.edu (-ray)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:35:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
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Of course, back then, we called it Mac OS.

On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Brad Bendily wrote:

> Yeah. Ray is old school. He was using windows 95 in 1987.
>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2010, at 4:05 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> Haha... I will admit to contributing to the death of IRC by blocking
>> the
>> IRC ports on campus back in the day.  This was shortly after IRC was
>> renamed to BNCCRN (BotNet Command/Control Relay Network).  We also got
>> tired of our T1's getting flooded everytime someone called the wrong
>> person "stupid" on IRC.
>>
>> Although the best time on IRC was going into a channel and saying "My
>> computer is completely unhackable."  Then argue with some of the
>> kiddies
>> for a bit... then say "Go ahead and try if you want, but I guarantee
>> you
>> can't do it.  My IP is 127.0.0.1."
>>
>> ray
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>
>>> SEE?!
>>>
>>> I was thinking that an AIX guy should probably know what IRC is :P
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry... it was a joke. :)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a
>>>>>> long time
>>>> but
>>>>>> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a
>>>>>> stack of
>>>> old
>>>>>> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, what's IRC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that
>>>>>>> I've had
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a
>>>>>>> loooong
>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which network is the channel on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
>>>>>> torrancew at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC
>>>>>>>> room...
>>>> just
>>>>>>>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the
>>>>>>>> cloud".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <
>>>> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX
>>>>>>>> Servers"
>>>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-
>>>>>>>> bounces at brlug.net] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of -ray
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>>>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network,
>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the
>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with
>>>>>>>> it."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will
>>>>>>>> admit
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon
>>>>>>>>> pushes it in
>>>>>>>>> their cloud solution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX
>>>>>>>>> Servers"
>>>>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-
>>>>>>>>> bounces at brlug.net]
>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from
>>>>>>>>> MySQL. It's
>>>>>>>>> that they're getting away from a relational database and
>>>>>>>>> moving to a
>>>>>>>>> key/value type database.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=
>>>>>>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>>>>>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana
>>>>>>>> University
>>>>>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX
>>>>>>>> Support
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>> =-=-=
>>>>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
>>>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana
>>>>>> University
>>>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX
>>>>>> Support
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>>>> =-=-=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> General mailing list
>>>>>> General at brlug.net
>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>> =-=
>>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-
>>>> y.org
>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana
>>>> University
>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX
>>>> Support
>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>>> =-=
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> General mailing list
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> Ray DeJean                              http://www.r-a-y.org
>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
>> IBM Certified Specialist            AIX Administration, AIX Support
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>
>>
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 16:39:41 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:39:41 -0600
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
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I've been idling in the same place since 1996 :\

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:35 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:

>
> Of course, back then, we called it Mac OS.
>
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Brad Bendily wrote:
>
> > Yeah. Ray is old school. He was using windows 95 in 1987.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 12, 2010, at 4:05 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Haha... I will admit to contributing to the death of IRC by blocking
> >> the
> >> IRC ports on campus back in the day.  This was shortly after IRC was
> >> renamed to BNCCRN (BotNet Command/Control Relay Network).  We also got
> >> tired of our T1's getting flooded everytime someone called the wrong
> >> person "stupid" on IRC.
> >>
> >> Although the best time on IRC was going into a channel and saying "My
> >> computer is completely unhackable."  Then argue with some of the
> >> kiddies
> >> for a bit... then say "Go ahead and try if you want, but I guarantee
> >> you
> >> can't do it.  My IP is 127.0.0.1."
> >>
> >> ray
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
> >>
> >>> SEE?!
> >>>
> >>> I was thinking that an AIX guy should probably know what IRC is :P
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry... it was a joke. :)
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a
> >>>>>> long time
> >>>> but
> >>>>>> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a
> >>>>>> stack of
> >>>> old
> >>>>>> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh, what's IRC?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that
> >>>>>>> I've had
> >>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a
> >>>>>>> loooong
> >>>> time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Which network is the channel on?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
> >>>>>> torrancew at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC
> >>>>>>>> room...
> >>>> just
> >>>>>>>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the
> >>>>>>>> cloud".
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <
> >>>> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >>>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >>>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX
> >>>>>>>> Servers"
> >>>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-
> >>>>>>>> bounces at brlug.net] On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of -ray
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network,
> >>>>>>>> security,
> >>>>>>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the
> >>>>>>>> meeting
> >>>>>>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with
> >>>>>>>> it."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will
> >>>>>>>> admit
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ray
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon
> >>>>>>>>> pushes it in
> >>>>>>>>> their cloud solution.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> >>>>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >>>>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX
> >>>>>>>>> Servers"
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-
> >>>>>>>>> bounces at brlug.net]
> >>>> On
> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> >>>>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from
> >>>>>>>>> MySQL. It's
> >>>>>>>>> that they're getting away from a relational database and
> >>>>>>>>> moving to a
> >>>>>>>>> key/value type database.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >>>>>>>> =-=-=-=
> >>>>>>>> Ray DeJean
> http://www.r-a-y.org
> >>>>>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana
> >>>>>>>> University
> >>>>>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX
> >>>>>>>> Support
> >>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >>>>>>>> =-=-=-=
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> General mailing list
> >>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> General mailing list
> >>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> General mailing list
> >>>>>>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >>>>>> =-=-=
> >>>>>> Ray DeJean
> http://www.r-a-y.org
> >>>>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana
> >>>>>> University
> >>>>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX
> >>>>>> Support
> >>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >>>>>> =-=-=
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> General mailing list
> >>>>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >>>> =-=
> >>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-
> >>>> y.org
> >>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana
> >>>> University
> >>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX
> >>>> Support
> >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> >>>> =-=
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> General mailing list
> >>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >> Ray DeJean                              http://www.r-a-y.org
> >> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> >> IBM Certified Specialist            AIX Administration, AIX Support
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
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> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
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> >
>
> --
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> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>
>
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From sroddy at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 17:10:46 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:10:46 +1800
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
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On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:42 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:

>
> Sorry... it was a joke. :)
>

I knew that.  :D

But, did you know there are still gopher sites around?  Ex:  gopher://
gopher.floodgap.com/


>
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>
> > serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a long time
> but
> >> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a stack of
> old
> >> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
> >>
> >> Oh, what's IRC?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that I've had
> >> for
> >>> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a loooong
> time.
> >>>
> >>> Which network is the channel on?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
> >> torrancew at gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC room...
> just
> >>>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the cloud".
> >>>>
> >>>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <
> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
> >>>>
> >>>> ---
> >>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >>>>
> >>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
> >>>> Behalf Of -ray
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
> >>>> To: general at brlug.net
> >>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network, security,
> >>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the meeting
> >>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with it."
> >>>>
> >>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will admit
> that
> >>>>
> >>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
> >>>>
> >>>> ray
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon pushes it in
> >>>>> their cloud solution.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
> >>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/>
> >>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
> >>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX Servers"
> >>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
> >>>>> <http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net]
> On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Tim Fournet
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:10 PM
> >>>>> To: general at brlug.net
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The interesting part isn't that they're getting away from MySQL. It's
> >>>>> that they're getting away from a relational database and moving to a
> >>>>> key/value type database.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>>> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> >>>> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> >>>> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> >>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> General mailing list
> >>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> General mailing list
> >>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> General mailing list
> >>>> General at brlug.net
> >>>> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> >> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> >> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> General mailing list
> >> General at brlug.net
> >> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/general_brlug.net
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> Ray DeJean                                       http://www.r-a-y.org
> Systems Engineer                    Southeastern Louisiana University
> IBM Certified Specialist              AIX Administration, AIX Support
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Mon Mar 15 11:06:51 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:06:51 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
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Work?

 

From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On
Behalf Of Jarred White
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 4:40 PM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL

 

I've been idling in the same place since 1996 :\

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 4:35 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:


Of course, back then, we called it Mac OS.


On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Brad Bendily wrote:

> Yeah. Ray is old school. He was using windows 95 in 1987.
>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2010, at 4:05 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>
>>
>> Haha... I will admit to contributing to the death of IRC by blocking
>> the
>> IRC ports on campus back in the day.  This was shortly after IRC was
>> renamed to BNCCRN (BotNet Command/Control Relay Network).  We also
got
>> tired of our T1's getting flooded everytime someone called the wrong
>> person "stupid" on IRC.
>>
>> Although the best time on IRC was going into a channel and saying "My
>> computer is completely unhackable."  Then argue with some of the
>> kiddies
>> for a bit... then say "Go ahead and try if you want, but I guarantee
>> you
>> can't do it.  My IP is 127.0.0.1."
>>
>> ray
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>
>>> SEE?!
>>>
>>> I was thinking that an AIX guy should probably know what IRC is :P
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry... it was a joke. :)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> serious or is that a joke? sorry hard to tell through text.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:55 PM, -ray <ray at ops.selu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Awesome... I had a stack of Linux Journal's from 95-00 for a
>>>>>> long time
>>>> but
>>>>>> I think I was a dumb ass and threw them away.  I still have a
>>>>>> stack of
>>>> old
>>>>>> SysAdmin mags though.  Both of those magazine's were the shizz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, what's IRC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010, Jarred White wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow Linux journal. I have a magnet on my fridge from them that
>>>>>>> I've had
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> like 12 years or something. I haven't heard that name in a
>>>>>>> loooong
>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which network is the channel on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:26 AM, "Warren \"Tray\" Torrance" <
>>>>>> torrancew at gmail.com
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heh, I'm a LinuxJournal subscriber, and frequent their IRC
>>>>>>>> room...
>>>> just
>>>>>>>> yesterday we had a discussion on the vague notion of "the
>>>>>>>> cloud".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Warren "Tray" Torrance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:03, Dustin Puryear <
>>>> dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You know, it's.. the cloud. Thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Puryear IT, LLC - Baton Rouge, LA - http://www.puryear-it.com/
>>>>>>>> Active Directory Integration : Web & Enterprise Single Sign-On
>>>>>>>> Identity and Access Management : Linux/UNIX technologies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Download our free ebook "Best Practices for Linux and UNIX
>>>>>>>> Servers"
>>>>>>>> http://www.puryear-it.com/pubs/linux-unix-best-practices/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-
>>>>>>>> bounces at brlug.net] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of -ray
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 4:07 PM
>>>>>>>> To: general at brlug.net
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is my new answer to every server, database, network,
>>>>>>>> security,
>>>>>>>> application, email, or web problem that we run across.  In the
>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>>> I'll say, "Let's just push it to 'the cloud' and be done with
>>>>>>>> it."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone thinks I'm a genius for saying that, but no one will
>>>>>>>> admit
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they don't exactly know what it means.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ray
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Dustin Puryear wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seems to happening at a number of places. I know Amazon
>>>>>>>>> pushes it in
>>>>>>>>> their cloud solution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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From Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV  Tue Mar 16 11:30:35 2010
From: Ryan.McCain at LA.GOV (Ryan McCain)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:30:35 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Fest! Star Wars in concert at Baton
	Rouge	River Center
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764EB@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764EB@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <43F590F51FDB044F81A4BFDB905AB95702CE9E11E6@MAILMBX10.MAIL.LA.GOV>

I saw this in New Orleans a few months back.  It's well worth seeing.


Ryan McCain
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Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
Phone: 225.505.3832

Registered Linux User #364609

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 10:44 AM
To: general at brlug.net
Subject: [brlug-general] Geek Fest! Star Wars in concert at Baton Rouge River Center

http://www.starwarsinconcert.com/

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1B004464815A1FDA?artistid=1344151&majorcatid=10002&minorcatid=203

I'm definitely going and dragging the lady along (kicking and screaming).

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Mon Mar 22 09:38:01 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:38:01 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Novell to soon be the next Sun?
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176692@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/032010-novell-rejects-takeover.htm
l

 

So they rejected the buy-out offer. 

 

Novell has some really, really solid products (e.g., Novell IM), but
that didn't save Sun and it won't save Novell.

 

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Mon Mar 22 09:44:22 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:44:22 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] The Real Bounty Hunter
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176693@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Has anyone seen the commercials for the new chick flick with Jennifer
Anistan? The movie is "The Bounty Hunter". Well check out this great
spoof for the movie poster:

 

http://www.booyapictures.com/2010/03/pre-order-your-tickets-for-this-rom
antic-thriller/

 

Why, yes, that is Boba Fett.

 

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From tfournet at tfour.net  Mon Mar 22 09:48:52 2010
From: tfournet at tfour.net (Tim Fournet)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:48:52 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] The Real Bounty Hunter
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176693@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176693@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <a05b10c1003220748m662dd2efv3b9afe64623108c@mail.gmail.com>

nice.


On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>wrote:

>  Has anyone seen the commercials for the new chick flick with Jennifer
> Anistan? The movie is "The Bounty Hunter". Well check out this great spoof
> for the movie poster:
>
>
>
>
> http://www.booyapictures.com/2010/03/pre-order-your-tickets-for-this-romantic-thriller/
>
>
>
> Why, yes, that is Boba Fett.
>
>
>
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From jarredwhite at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 09:58:55 2010
From: jarredwhite at gmail.com (Jarred White)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:58:55 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Novell to soon be the next Sun?
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176692@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176692@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <7C155CCE-C8DA-4F96-9D01-1D5DB0368725@gmail.com>

How appropriate, since Bendily is currently at Brainshare or  
Braintrust or whatever that meeting of dinosaurs is called.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:38 AM, "Dustin Puryear" <dpuryear at puryear- 
it.com> wrote:

> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/032010-novell-rejects-takeover.html
>
>
>
> So they rejected the buy-out offer.
>
>
>
> Novell has some really, really solid products (e.g., Novell IM), but  
> that didn't save Sun and it won't save Novell.
>
>
>
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From bendily at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 21:34:22 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:34:22 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Novell to soon be the next Sun?
In-Reply-To: <7C155CCE-C8DA-4F96-9D01-1D5DB0368725@gmail.com>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176692@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<7C155CCE-C8DA-4F96-9D01-1D5DB0368725@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e27c898e1003261934s4831597fx8b1a7eaeb4144c90@mail.gmail.com>

shutup.

actually, i learned something really cool.
not sure if everyone has heard of the SuSE Studio project?
http://susestudio.com/

It lets you build ISOs or images for USB stick or VMWare/Xen on the fly.
What's really cool though, is that they have a "testdrive" feature.
You build the ISO, to include whatever packages you want, and before
you download
it you can click the "testdrive" button and it will startup the image
and you can
make changes right then and there. And when you're done, you click "build"
and it will make a neat ISO/etc for you.
Very cool.

Another cool product they have is ZCM, Zenworks Configuration Management.
It's been around for a while and it has had its share of problems, but
each version gets
better and better. The soon to be release ZCM 10-sp3 has a lot of
improvements and
several new features. But the core of the product is enterprise wide
desktop management.
You can send patches to single or groups of machines. You can set
Group policy settings the same way. You can track software usage, so
you can ensure software compliance! It has
some audit features. You can build applications packages and deploy
them to specific workstations.
I don't know of any other product that cover all of these things.

Of course, they also offer and enterprise version of linux that can
run on PC or mainframe,
and they provide support for that product. Businesses don't want to
run Gentoo or Debian,
they want something they can pick up a phone and call tech support
for, so two companies
can provide that for linux.

and there's more...

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Jarred White <jarredwhite at gmail.com> wrote:
> How appropriate, since Bendily is currently at Brainshare or Braintrust or
> whatever that meeting of dinosaurs is called.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:38 AM, "Dustin Puryear" <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>
> wrote:
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/032010-novell-rejects-takeover.html
>
>
>
> So they rejected the buy-out offer.
>
>
>
> Novell has some really, really solid products (e.g., Novell IM), but that
> didn't save Sun and it won't save Novell.
>
>
>
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From bendily at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 15:50:05 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:50:05 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yay! Jury says Novell owns Unix copyrights!
Message-ID: <e27c898e1003301350k20729c4cu2fc3ee785a4755c3@mail.gmail.com>

Jury says Novell owns Unix copyrights
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14786202

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From sroddy at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 14:01:20 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:01:20 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Yay! Jury says Novell owns Unix copyrights!
In-Reply-To: <e27c898e1003301350k20729c4cu2fc3ee785a4755c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e27c898e1003301350k20729c4cu2fc3ee785a4755c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <k2m8d48b6ba1003311201ua933c956tef7d9ab638b5c416@mail.gmail.com>

I don't remember.. do they still have umpteen appeals going?  Or is this
it?

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Brad Bendily <bendily at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jury says Novell owns Unix copyrights
> http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14786202
>
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From bendily at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 10:24:18 2010
From: bendily at gmail.com (Brad Bendily)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:24:18 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] Digg.com dropping MySQL
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176579@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E1764D9@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003121453130.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<594377841003121303k5a6e0f39s4264f2d265918cfc@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003121540460.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<594377841003121343w7a616bebr2280ccdc97706b62@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003121554340.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<12FC92FB-7004-4BC3-B352-3AED481FB318@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.1003121634140.19148@romulus.csd.selu.edu>
	<594377841003121439m86d001cr1588d8e5118f4285@mail.gmail.com>
	<43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176579@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <e27c898e1003300824y7e802f85nebd899bb459b961d@mail.gmail.com>

Have you guys heard of the NoSQL movement?
maybe that's where Digg is headed?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoSQL



From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar 31 14:35:15 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:35:15 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [ale] SCO loses again: jury says Novell owns
	UNIX SVRX copyrights
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17684B@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

You almost have to admire SCO's insane persistance..

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Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:09 AM
To: ale at ale.org
Subject: [ale] SCO loses again: jury says Novell owns UNIX SVRX
copyrights

SCO loses again: jury says Novell owns UNIX SVRX copyrights
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/sco-loses-again-jury-say
s-novell-owns-unix-svrx-copyrights.ars

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yjfrpks

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From dpuryear at puryear-it.com  Wed Mar 31 15:20:33 2010
From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com (Dustin Puryear)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:20:33 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] SOAP testing with soapUI
Message-ID: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E176852@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>

Anyone done testing of SOAP service stuff with soapUI? We're having an
issue and I had some questions for you.. :)

 

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From sroddy at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 15:58:04 2010
From: sroddy at gmail.com (Shannon Roddy)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:58:04 -0500
Subject: [brlug-general] FW: [ale] SCO loses again: jury says Novell
	owns UNIX SVRX copyrights
In-Reply-To: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17684B@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
References: <43452C495F09D048BF7CE9F96B65688E17684B@sbs.Puryear-IT.local>
Message-ID: <m2y8d48b6ba1003311358t9e99acafi861f6dd7fd52818c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Dustin Puryear <dpuryear at puryear-it.com>wrote:

> You almost have to admire SCO's insane persistance..
>

Umm... No.


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ale-bounces at ale.org [mailto:ale-bounces at ale.org] On Behalf Of
> krwatson at cc.gatech.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 11:09 AM
> To: ale at ale.org
> Subject: [ale] SCO loses again: jury says Novell owns UNIX SVRX
> copyrights
>
> SCO loses again: jury says Novell owns UNIX SVRX copyrights
> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/sco-loses-again-jury-say
> s-novell-owns-unix-svrx-copyrights.ars<http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/03/sco-loses-again-jury-say%0As-novell-owns-unix-svrx-copyrights.ars>
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/yjfrpks
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> keith
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