[brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights

[Ryan McCain]

I don't want to spam this list w/ debating the Constitution but you have to look at what "regulate" and "commerce" meant at the time of the signing of the Constitution.  "Regulate" basically meant to keep regular, or not interfere.     


Ryan McCain
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
Phone: 225.505.3832

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From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On Behalf Of -ray
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 5:36 PM
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I always goofed off in civics and history class, so I had to goto WIkipedia.

Enumerated powers, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution states Congress has the power:

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_One_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Enumerated_powers

How does deciding who a company can trade with *NOT* fall under regulating commerce with foreign nations?

ray

On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:

> The Constitution enumerates all the powers of the government.  Deciding who a company can trade with isn't one of them.
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> I don't think it is unlawful or unconstitutional for the government to forbid an American company, say Northrop Grumman, from doing any business with a foreign company, say Iran.  For obvious reasons.
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> You can do business with China though.  Then they'll do business with Iran.
>
> Oh wait.  When you say overlords, did you mean our Chinese overlords? 
> :)
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> ray
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> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Ryan McCain wrote:
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>> The majority of what our overlords do is unlawful.  Positive law isn't legit if it violates the Constitution.
>>
>>
>> Ryan McCain
>> Northrop Grumman Corporation
>> Email: ryan.mccain at la.gov
>> Phone: 225.505.3832
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>> Registered Linux User #364609
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>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
>> Behalf Of Dustin Puryear
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>> Do you mean they have no moral or legal authority? They certainly have the legal authority (e.g., Cuba, munitions).
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>> From: general-bounces at brlug.net [mailto:general-bounces at brlug.net] On 
>> Behalf Of Ryan McCain
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>> Our government has 0 authority to tell private companies who their customers can and cannot be.
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>> ________________________________
>> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:48:31 -0600
>> From: dpuryear at puryear-it.com
>> To: general at brlug.net
>> Subject: [brlug-general] Internet Human Bill of Rights Now, this may 
>> be a good idea:
>>
>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/190579/senator_to_introduce_internet_h
>> u
>> man_rights_bill.html
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>> The basic idea: The law "would impose criminal or civil penalties on U.S. Internet companies that bow to pressure of foreign governments and violate human rights."
>>
>> Still, this creates a cache-22. This would essentially bar US companies from competing in markets like China, which are huge. So would this put our companies at a long-term disadvantage?
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>> Perhaps this law makes more sense if it applies to *ANY* company that operates in the US.
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