From edslinuxbox at cox.net  Thu Jul 17 18:24:46 2008
From: edslinuxbox at cox.net (EdsLinuxBox)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:24:46 -0500
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linux Desktop SIG Workshop, Monday, July 21st.
Message-ID: <200807171824.47155.edslinuxbox@cox.net>

Greeting all, 

You just thought you were rid of me, but, unfortunately for you, I am back and 
raring to go! :)

In the upcoming workshop, which will be Monday evening at 6 PM in the Linux 
Lab, we will spend the 1st hour talking about "The Path Forward for the Linux 
Desktop SIG", which will also include some administrative issues that we need 
to address. We want to find out where you want this SIG to go. 

In the second hour, we will look at peer-to-peer networking under Linux. This 
is a walk in the park with Xandros, but a bit more involved with other Linux 
distributions. I hope that some of you that have successfully done this with 
other distros will be in attendance to help as I am far from an expert in 
this area. 

I look forward to seeing everyone Monday evening, 

Ed



From ghostrider2x at gmail.com  Sun Jul 27 21:25:49 2008
From: ghostrider2x at gmail.com (Gary Stibbins)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:25:49 -0400
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
Message-ID: <4e6b9c20807271925v3f6174v1b43e02d70ccbdf5@mail.gmail.com>

I'm new to Linux and trying to figure out how it want to go with it. I had 4
used computers given to me by relatives, and they all work.There is a small
HP Pavilion Tower,but it is missing a ethernet board.It has a 12 gig hard
drive.I have a loose Linksys board,Model LNE100TX v5.1.

Having problem finding drivers for Windows for board. My thought is if I
take  Windows off, put in the Linkys board and install some version of
Linux,would Linux drive it ? With a 12 gig hard drive,what would be a good
version of Linux to use.

I hope nobody is totally confused after reading this, And thanks for any
help or suggestions you can post.

-- 
Gary
ghostrider
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From mat.branyon at gmail.com  Sun Jul 27 21:47:48 2008
From: mat.branyon at gmail.com (mat branyon)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:47:48 -0600
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
In-Reply-To: <4e6b9c20807271925v3f6174v1b43e02d70ccbdf5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e6b9c20807271925v3f6174v1b43e02d70ccbdf5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d7b9a19e0807271947l145e4ca3n9ef487e313c751d8@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,

I have never heard of Linux not working with a 100mbit board (which is
what you have there).  You can always download the latest ubuntu live
install cd (www.ubuntulinux.com) and test it out.

The size of your hard drive isn't an issue, but your processing speed
and ram is.  I haven't heard of a version of Linux that needs more
than 12 gigs for a base install (but maybe I just don't hear much
anymore).

I would assume that if your pc came with only 12 gigs of storage, then
it is an older machine, and would require a more minimal window
manager to run most of the modern apps.  I am sure someone else will
point you in the right direction for that.

On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Gary Stibbins <ghostrider2x at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm new to Linux and trying to figure out how it want to go with it. I had 4
> used computers given to me by relatives, and they all work.There is a small
> HP Pavilion Tower,but it is missing a ethernet board.It has a 12 gig hard
> drive.I have a loose Linksys board,Model LNE100TX v5.1.
>
> Having problem finding drivers for Windows for board. My thought is if I
> take  Windows off, put in the Linkys board and install some version of
> Linux,would Linux drive it ? With a 12 gig hard drive,what would be a good
> version of Linux to use.
>
> I hope nobody is totally confused after reading this, And thanks for any
> help or suggestions you can post.
>
> --
> Gary
> ghostrider
> _______________________________________________
> Newbies mailing list
> Newbies at brlug.net
> http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/newbies_brlug.net
>
>


From nathantoups at gmail.com  Sun Jul 27 22:21:12 2008
From: nathantoups at gmail.com (Nathan Toups)
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:21:12 -0500
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
In-Reply-To: <d7b9a19e0807271947l145e4ca3n9ef487e313c751d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e6b9c20807271925v3f6174v1b43e02d70ccbdf5@mail.gmail.com>
	<d7b9a19e0807271947l145e4ca3n9ef487e313c751d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59b2323a0807272021k65714300of5e717a64f19f9e@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Mat. I have never seen a 100mb board not work on linux.
I would recommend upgrading the hard drive though, even though 12gb is more
than enough for the average linux distro, that drive is getting old and the
odds of it failing on you is MUCH higher than a new drive.

With a quick look on newegg, you can grab an 80gb PATA (IDE) hard drive for
$40... so you may want to look into that...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148236

Mat and I are both fans of Ubuntu and testing out the setup with a liveCD is
a great idea.

As far as using a distro with a little less demand on your hardware (because
it is older).

XFCE is a great windows manager to use.

Xubuntu might be a good option for you.
http://xubuntu.com/

Xubuntu has a live CD as well, so you may just want to go ahead and download
Xubuntu 8.04 liveCD and test it out.

Nathan


On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 9:47 PM, mat branyon <mat.branyon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gary,
>
> I have never heard of Linux not working with a 100mbit board (which is
> what you have there).  You can always download the latest ubuntu live
> install cd (www.ubuntulinux.com) and test it out.
>
> The size of your hard drive isn't an issue, but your processing speed
> and ram is.  I haven't heard of a version of Linux that needs more
> than 12 gigs for a base install (but maybe I just don't hear much
> anymore).
>
> I would assume that if your pc came with only 12 gigs of storage, then
> it is an older machine, and would require a more minimal window
> manager to run most of the modern apps.  I am sure someone else will
> point you in the right direction for that.
>
> On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Gary Stibbins <ghostrider2x at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm new to Linux and trying to figure out how it want to go with it. I
> had 4
> > used computers given to me by relatives, and they all work.There is a
> small
> > HP Pavilion Tower,but it is missing a ethernet board.It has a 12 gig hard
> > drive.I have a loose Linksys board,Model LNE100TX v5.1.
> >
> > Having problem finding drivers for Windows for board. My thought is if I
> > take  Windows off, put in the Linkys board and install some version of
> > Linux,would Linux drive it ? With a 12 gig hard drive,what would be a
> good
> > version of Linux to use.
> >
> > I hope nobody is totally confused after reading this, And thanks for any
> > help or suggestions you can post.
> >
> > --
> > Gary
> > ghostrider
> > _______________________________________________
> > Newbies mailing list
> > Newbies at brlug.net
> > http://mail.brlug.net/mailman/listinfo/newbies_brlug.net
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Newbies at brlug.net
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From carl70448 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 28 08:49:35 2008
From: carl70448 at yahoo.com (c.a. weisheit)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 06:49:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
In-Reply-To: <4e6b9c20807271925v3f6174v1b43e02d70ccbdf5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <526144.14473.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

There are literally hundreds of free choices available.
could you tell us:
how fast is the cpu?
how much ram?
which version of windows does the machine have now?

Gary Stibbins <ghostrider2x at gmail.com> wrote: I'm new to Linux and trying to figure out how it want to go with it. I had 4 used computers given to me by relatives, and they all work.There is a small HP Pavilion Tower,but it is missing a ethernet board.It has a 12 gig hard drive.I have a loose Linksys board,Model LNE100TX v5.1.
   
 Having problem finding drivers for Windows for board. My thought is if I take  Windows off, put in the Linkys board and install some version of
 Linux,would Linux drive it ? With a 12 gig hard drive,what would be a good version of Linux to use.
  
 I hope nobody is totally confused after reading this, And thanks for any help or suggestions you can post.

-- 
Gary
ghostrider 
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From ghostrider2x at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 16:12:44 2008
From: ghostrider2x at gmail.com (Gary Stibbins)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:12:44 -0500
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
In-Reply-To: <526144.14473.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4e6b9c20807271925v3f6174v1b43e02d70ccbdf5@mail.gmail.com>
	<526144.14473.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4e6b9c20807291412n17f9a806k8ac41335a89e0515@mail.gmail.com>

It's got 500 Mhz clock speed,194  mb ram, and running Windows 2000> I found
2 live CD's,1 is Damn Small Linux,and the other  is pup Linux. Both of those
recognize the Linksys board.
I also have a 40 gig hard drive-new-that I may put in this weekend since the
other one is getting older. If I do that, then I may justn leve Windows
off,since I don't really  need it,and as I understand it I can do everything
on Linux that I've been doing on Windows.


On 7/28/08, c.a. weisheit <carl70448 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> There are literally hundreds of free choices available.
> could you tell us:
> how fast is the cpu?
> how much ram?
> which version of windows does the machine have now?
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From nathantoups at gmail.com  Tue Jul 29 16:28:21 2008
From: nathantoups at gmail.com (Nathan Toups)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:28:21 -0500
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
In-Reply-To: <4e6b9c20807291412n17f9a806k8ac41335a89e0515@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e6b9c20807271925v3f6174v1b43e02d70ccbdf5@mail.gmail.com>
	<526144.14473.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4e6b9c20807291412n17f9a806k8ac41335a89e0515@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59b2323a0807291428sa351a6diddc4f09a423d4cb4@mail.gmail.com>

sounds like a plan.

On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Gary Stibbins <ghostrider2x at gmail.com>wrote:

> It's got 500 Mhz clock speed,194  mb ram, and running Windows 2000> I found
> 2 live CD's,1 is Damn Small Linux,and the other  is pup Linux. Both of those
> recognize the Linksys board.
> I also have a 40 gig hard drive-new-that I may put in this weekend since
> the other one is getting older. If I do that, then I may justn leve Windows
> off,since I don't really  need it,and as I understand it I can do everything
> on Linux that I've been doing on Windows.
>
>
> On 7/28/08, c.a. weisheit <carl70448 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are literally hundreds of free choices available.
>> could you tell us:
>> how fast is the cpu?
>> how much ram?
>> which version of windows does the machine have now?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> Newbies mailing list
> Newbies at brlug.net
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From carl70448 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 30 10:39:51 2008
From: carl70448 at yahoo.com (c.a. weisheit)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:39:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
In-Reply-To: <4e6b9c20807291412n17f9a806k8ac41335a89e0515@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <166741.53828.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

the club is now using PCLinux and Ubuntu in the lab. try these live cds out. With lots of us using these it will be easier to find someone who can help you with problems along the way. However I suspect, they may run a little slow on your system.

DSL and Puppy Linux are great choices also. I have installed them on machines as slow as 133 Mhz 64 mb ram with good results. Due to changes in the latest edition of Puppy, both disros can now get debian packages, which gives you access to a huge amount of free software.

if your having problems with the install, bring the machine to the club, so we can prod and poke it.

by the way, does anyone know, how many debian packages are available now?

Gary Stibbins <ghostrider2x at gmail.com> wrote: It's got 500 Mhz clock speed,194  mb ram, and running Windows 2000> I found 2 live CD's,1 is Damn Small Linux,and the other  is pup Linux. Both of those recognize the Linksys board.
 I also have a 40 gig hard drive-new-that I may put in this weekend since the other one is getting older. If I do that, then I may justn leve Windows off,since I don't really  need it,and as I understand it I can do everything on Linux that I've been doing on Windows.
 
 
 On 7/28/08, c.a. weisheit <carl70448 at yahoo.com> wrote: There are literally hundreds of free choices available.
could you tell us:
how fast is the cpu?
how much ram?
 which version of windows does the machine have now?









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From ghostrider2x at gmail.com  Wed Jul 30 12:24:48 2008
From: ghostrider2x at gmail.com (Gary Stibbins)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:24:48 -0500
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
In-Reply-To: <166741.53828.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <4e6b9c20807291412n17f9a806k8ac41335a89e0515@mail.gmail.com>
	<166741.53828.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4e6b9c20807301024p13988e21u5e81676f0ab22cb8@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed on Puppy Linux,right clicking here and there,that there was   a
grub install,and under that was a simple install or a regular install.The
simple install,the way I understand it,is it automatically installs and the
other 1 is for people who know what they doing. Now if you can get Debian
packages for Puppy,I assume you can also run other things like Firefox.I
also have an external HP CDR-RW with fairly descent speed I'd like to see
how much trouble I'll have getting it to work.
It's getting where I hate dealing with Windows so taking it off would be
great.Leavesme more room to learn to work with the Debian packages.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM, c.a. weisheit <carl70448 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> the club is now using PCLinux and Ubuntu in the lab. try these live cds
> out. With lots of us using these it will be easier to find someone who can
> help you with problems along the way. However I suspect, they may run a
> little slow on your system.
>
> DSL and Puppy Linux are great choices also. I have installed them on
> machines as slow as 133 Mhz 64 mb ram with good results. Due to changes in
> the latest edition of Puppy, both disros can now get debian packages, which
> gives you access to a huge amount of free software.
>
> if your having problems with the install, bring the machine to the club, so
> we can prod and poke it.
>
> by the way, does anyone know, how many debian packages are available now?
>
> --
Gary
ghostrider
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From carl70448 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 31 09:36:06 2008
From: carl70448 at yahoo.com (c.a. weisheit)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:36:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys ethernet board question
In-Reply-To: <4e6b9c20807301024p13988e21u5e81676f0ab22cb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <349052.96959.qm@web50106.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Both puppy and DSL offer a full installation and a frugal installation on many types of media. In a frugal install an image of the CD is installed on a drive and it boots to it. These installs are useful when you need to save space or install on a FAT (windows) partition, but in your case there is no advantage and some added problems in this type of install. Just use the built in puppy installer to do the full installation. It should install grub for you as part of the install.

here is a link to puppy manual.
http://www.puppylinux.org/manuals/puppy-40/english
and the page on installation.
http://www.puppylinux.org/manuals/puppy-40/english/how-install-puppy/full-installation

The mozilla webrowser is already on puppy and DSL. and yes, you can download specific editions of mozilla such as firefox or seamonkey etc.

One note, In Puppy you must go through several steps to get and install debian packages:
http://www.puppylinux.org/manuals/puppy-40/english/how-install/deinstall-programs/debian-programs
while DSL can get and install them more directly using it's installer or upgrading to Synaptic package manager (my favorite) this may be faster when dealing with packages that have lots of dependencies(drivers and lib files needed by program) Try them both out.

here is a link to the DSL page.
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/index.html


Gary Stibbins <ghostrider2x at gmail.com> wrote: I noticed on Puppy Linux,right clicking here and there,that there was   a grub install,and under that was a simple install or a regular install.The simple install,the way I understand it,is it automatically installs and the other 1 is for people who know what they doing. Now if you can get Debian packages for Puppy,I assume you can also run other things like Firefox.I also have an external HP CDR-RW with fairly descent speed I'd like to see how much trouble I'll have getting it to work.
 It's getting where I hate dealing with Windows so taking it off would be great.Leavesme more room to learn to work with the Debian packages.

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:39 AM, c.a. weisheit <carl70448 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 the club is now using PCLinux and Ubuntu in the lab. try these live cds out. With lots of us using these it will be easier to find someone who can help you with problems along the way. However I suspect, they may run a little slow on your system.
 
DSL and Puppy Linux are great choices also. I have installed them on machines as slow as 133 Mhz 64 mb ram with good results. Due to changes in the latest edition of Puppy, both disros can now get debian packages, which gives you access to a huge amount of free software.
 
if your having problems with the install, bring the machine to the club, so we can prod and poke it.

by the way, does anyone know, how many debian packages are available now?         

-- 
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ghostrider
 
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From ghostrider2x at gmail.com  Thu Jul 31 16:07:29 2008
From: ghostrider2x at gmail.com (Gary Stibbins)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:07:29 -0500
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linksys Ethernet Board Question
Message-ID: <4e6b9c20807311407m53af43a4xa4757df1124fffbd@mail.gmail.com>

Now that this problem has been solved,1 last thing I need to know. I am
going to Gatlinburg,Tn. for a month.Unfortunately where I am  staying does
not have high speed access.Only thing I can do is get on with dialup.Anybody
know a good modem for linux ?

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From edslinuxbox at cox.net  Thu Jul 31 21:35:11 2008
From: edslinuxbox at cox.net (EdsLinuxBox)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 21:35:11 -0500
Subject: [brlug-newbies] Linux Desktop SIG Workshop, Monday, August 4th.
Message-ID: <200807312135.11776.edslinuxbox@cox.net>

Greetings all, 

In the upcoming workshop we will introduce everyone to the latest version of 
Ubuntu, which is now installed on most of the computers in the Linux Lab. In 
the previous workshop we were in the process of developing a path forward for 
the SIG when we lost power, but one of the decisions that was made was to 
replace the Xandros installations with the latest version of Ubuntu since it 
has become the defacto distribution for most manufacturers that are selling 
computers with Linux pre-installed. Hopefully some of the SIG members that 
are more familiar with Ubuntu will be available to help familiarize everyone 
with it. 

In the second portion of the SIG, we will try and get through the rest of the 
slide show that we started last time. There are still a lot of things that 
need to be done and plenty of opportunities for everyone to participate. 

Don't forget that Thursday, August 7th is the monthly meeting at the club 
office and that we have an Open House on Saturday, August 9th from 10 AM to 3 
PM. I think volunteers are still needed. Contact Cal if you want to help. 

See everyone Monday evening, 

Ed